To anybody concerned.  I received a letter from Bryan this morning, inside was a note of apology and a money order for the full amount he owed me.  Whatever circumstances led to the difficulty he found himself in, I sincerely hope he resolves them soon.
Vinnie
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Teacher

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Posted: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:04 AM UTC

Martinnnn

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Posted: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:12 AM UTC
So basicly you've got your money back?
That kind of news hasn't arrived here yet 
 
Hope to hear something soon....
Martin
That kind of news hasn't arrived here yet
 
 Hope to hear something soon....
Martin

Martinnnn

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 03:34 AM UTC
Yeah! I received a money order as well. Seems I can collect my money at the bank now!
Thank you Bryan!
Martin
Thank you Bryan!
Martin

kglack43

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 06:39 AM UTC
well, does bryan read these threads about him? if so, BRYAN, REMEMBER THE DD SHERMAN I PAID YOU FOR?
THAT WAS 110 USD CASH. REMEMBER YOU TOLD ME IT WAS LOST IN THE POOR CANADIAN MAIL?
REMEMBER?
KEVIN GLACKMEYER 213 BELLEHURST DRIVE
MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA
36109
I'M WAITING FOR YER REPLY, SCUMBAG 
 
THAT WAS 110 USD CASH. REMEMBER YOU TOLD ME IT WAS LOST IN THE POOR CANADIAN MAIL?
REMEMBER?
KEVIN GLACKMEYER 213 BELLEHURST DRIVE
MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA
36109
I'M WAITING FOR YER REPLY, SCUMBAG
 
 
MrRoo

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 08:11 AM UTC
I note the two that have got their money back are both staff members. I just hope he does not forget the rest of us.

Martinnnn

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 08:13 AM UTC
Well some stupid Dutch rules could make it hard for me to cash my money....I'll try tommorow but the question is whether the bank will accept the money order or not    
 
 
 
Teacher

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 08:15 AM UTC
Cliff, you really need to go look at ML.  Staff members are NOT the only ones being paid.
Vinnie
Vinnie

Mojo

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 08:32 AM UTC
Im going to reserve judgement.. I know some of you had been into him for hundreds...Me Im only out 70 CAD.. Not a lot of cash, just the principle of the thing
Dave
Dave

Martinnnn

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 09:39 AM UTC
Dave I don't know but 70 is still a lot to me   
 
Hmm I'm very excited about this. I hope the bank accepts the cheque (otherwise I guess I'll be pretty angry lol...where's the manager!)
Martin
 
 Hmm I'm very excited about this. I hope the bank accepts the cheque (otherwise I guess I'll be pretty angry lol...where's the manager!)
Martin

Clanky44

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 10:17 AM UTC
My two cents on the Canadian Postal Service. It took 13 days for a model I won through e-bay from Hong Kong,.... and 10 days for my resin ship from WEM from England....can't beat that service.
Have any of you thought about contacting IPMS Ottawa to see if he's an active member?
Frank
Have any of you thought about contacting IPMS Ottawa to see if he's an active member?
Frank

oldbean

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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 09:49 PM UTC
Glad to see that some of you are getting your money back.  I lost $25 to him (actually $45, but he gave me a $20 refund when I didn't get my model due to "poor Canadian Postal" services)  $20 isn't much, but I would like to see it.
Jesse
Jesse

Grumpyoldman
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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 01:25 AM UTC
Hopefully this is the start of Bryan repaying everyone, and realizing that complete amends are required to all he stole from. (Call it what ever you like--- I call it exactly what it is  STEALING!) Hopefully everyone that gets a refund in full will post it, and others will remind him... hopefully without name calling. 
I truly believe that Bryan's creditability is forever tarnished, I know that I would never trust him again in a trade or purchase.
I truly believe that Bryan's creditability is forever tarnished, I know that I would never trust him again in a trade or purchase.

Sabot
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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 03:07 AM UTC
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Once lost, trust is very hard to regain.I truly believe that Bryan's creditability is forever tarnished, I know that I would never trust him again in a trade or purchase.

Red4

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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 08:58 AM UTC
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me". Luckily it was just once. Never again Bryan, never again.  "Q"
  "Q"  
  
ps. I am happy to hear that some folks are getting their $$ back though. I didn't lose a lot, it is just the principle of the matter.
 "Q"
  "Q"  
  ps. I am happy to hear that some folks are getting their $$ back though. I didn't lose a lot, it is just the principle of the matter.

peacekeeper

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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 11:57 AM UTC
I'll be waiting (but not holding my breath) to see if I get any sort of payment for the 2 models (Sherman - early and Firefly) I sent him.
muttley

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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 03:06 PM UTC
So he has refunded some people of their money without any other reason aside from the "bad Canadian mail system", is that it?

Martinnnn

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Posted: Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 01:26 AM UTC
yep I haven't heard an explanation from him although I asked several times...he just avoided the question, and he gave no anwser

Mojo

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Posted: Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 01:31 AM UTC
Perhaps he has been contacted by the authorities, some folks have filed complaints.. Maybe they have given him an option, pay up or be charged...
Dave
Dave

Vic

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Posted: Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 10:23 AM UTC
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I truly believe that Bryan's creditability is forever tarnished, I know that I would never trust him again in a trade or purchase.
Tarnished? I'd say it was a lot worse than that but I wont say it here.
Quoted Text
 well, does bryan read these threads about him?
If you do Bryan I'd like my $120 back that I could ill afford to spend at the time.
My e-mails on this site, you know where to find it, CONTACT ME!!!
Vic

esc71

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Posted: Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 04:36 AM UTC
For any "My name is Earl" fans out there......Maybe he has learned a lesson in karma and has made a list of all the guys he has done wrong. Hopefully all involved will be crossed off the list. :-)

peacekeeper

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Posted: Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 06:35 AM UTC
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For any "My name is Earl" fans out there......Maybe he has learned a lesson in karma and has made a list of all the guys he has done wrong. Hopefully all involved will be crossed off the list. :-)
As SWMBO would say, "I'm not going to hold my breath until I turn blue and look like a smurf"

smithery

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Posted: Friday, December 02, 2005 - 03:25 PM UTC
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Have any of you thought about contacting IPMS Ottawa to see if he's an active member?
Frank
Bryan is not a member of IPMS Ottawa.

beachbm2

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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2005 - 07:23 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Perhaps he has been contacted by the authorities, some folks have filed complaints.. Maybe they have given him an option, pay up or be charged...
Dave
Well Dave I believe you hit the nail on the head! When I had trouble with others who tried this same tactic and got no response or satisfaction I reported them to the proper agency's and low and behold my stuff arrived! It takes time for the Law Enforcement Agency's to do their work but they do it and things get done. I have only had one not pay up or send my stuff but he ended up spending 6 Months in a County Jail after Others as well as I filed complaints with his local D/A. as well as the Postal Inspectors and The FBI Internet Fraud Site. With The Problems I had in England all I had to do was contact the nearest Trading and Standards board and things happened. I have never had the problem of things not arriving from Canada, slow sometimes but always arrived. Most con Artists start out by gaining trust then taking advantage of that trust there in no way on Gods Green Earth that all the stuff Mr. Gray sent via Canada Post was lost by that organization and I feel that his belated attempts at restitution are due to pressure from Law Enforcement and not a new found sense of Honor! Keep up the pressure and don't let him slide. It is by working on our sense of values and fair play that these Con Men take us to the cleaners. By saying "Oh Well Lesson learned" and dropping it we allow them to continue to steal from others. So if you have been Taken by this individual Please don't let him continue his theft by deception scheme! Report it and make sure the Law does what it is intended to do and let it protect Us and Others in the future.
Just my 2 Cents
Jeff Larkin

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Posted: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 10:34 PM UTC
I have lost $90.00 to him that were for some DML Stug II kits I bought from him
I would like to receive the kits or get my $90.00 back
[email protected]
Billy
aka
T-55A
I would like to receive the kits or get my $90.00 back
[email protected]
Billy
aka
T-55A
Posted: Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 01:37 PM UTC
 exscuse me lads for butting in here . ive read the post and feel for you guys ive bought off ebay and never got ripped off.  i dont know if anyone agrees with this but if people want to sell or buy from guys o here why dont we have a middleman???? you send the money to a member who then tells the seller to post the stuff  when you get it he sends on the cash, no money no kit ,no kit no money just an idea . only extra charge is a stamp to post on yer money order
  exscuse me lads for butting in here . ive read the post and feel for you guys ive bought off ebay and never got ripped off.  i dont know if anyone agrees with this but if people want to sell or buy from guys o here why dont we have a middleman???? you send the money to a member who then tells the seller to post the stuff  when you get it he sends on the cash, no money no kit ,no kit no money just an idea . only extra charge is a stamp to post on yer money order  
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