"Scratchbuilders Campaign"
I have opened a new post as my original answer to the question of "Campaign Rules"may be lost in the original post --( ..Vinnie gonna slap my wrist ..I suppose )
Original post :

--OOPS!! ---opened the "can o' worms again" ---Sorry -------Ok --"Q"......what is scratchbuilding
--Definition :- ....What definition !!!!!---It varies from modelers to competitions....so (Jumps in up to neck :-) )......
1.......a BUILD from ground up-----100%TOTAL---
2........a Build using some kit parts ---(Max )30% ---
3 .......a Build using main kit parts ----(Max)50%---

.......ANY -THING "BUILT "--but not more than --50%--of finished article from OOB..(for starters)---yes I know its a "CONVERSION".....but we gotta start some where ..........!!!

Comments here on a piece of plastic sheet --no bigger than 2x3mm carved and weathered............
My preference ..........75 % scratch --from a plan /picture(I'm biased.. )
Running for cover....
aye
BARV
(GOSMG)

EDIT........
BTW ---I do not have the resources or expertise to run a campaign -----this is to get a level playing field set-out ---IF we can get a space to get it running ---Barv

Count me in BARV, maybe into a 50 to 75% build....now to guess what to do...

An OPERATION (more time) sounds better to me
:
Aye :-)

Cheers

I think an operation is too specialised on one topic, it should be a campaing with no limitations on topic and/or time.
I think you should go for approx. 70% to 80% of scratchbuilding, this would be more than a conversion, and it wouldn't look as scary as 100%

Ok Julius, campaign will be.....I can´t assure more than the previous percentages....

Cheers

WOW Barv your Nuts sorry to say i see your name and have to read :-)
i think i would like some of what your on :-) :-) :-) :-)

redleg

OK. I'm in. I have to build five OIF armored trucks for some customers anyways so this way I can make some fun out them. I will use the plans and photos for the build. 50 to 75% should work for me also.

I'm up for it. I fancy starting my Tracked Rapier system.

I'm in with the 50-75% stipulation - no problem.

Advice: Since scratchbuilding efforts can get elaborate, I think you should consider how the end date is set. For some Campaigns in the past, I have worked out an arrangement with the Campaign Leader and members participating to set an end date to motivate them to finish the project within six months, but flexibility to allow all of them to finish in the event LIFE gets in the way. LIFE has a relationship with modeling efforts.

That being said, set the 6-month start/end period as normal, but offer the participating members that have started and got their project at least 75% of the way to completion by the end date the chance to finish up and get awarded their Ribbon when done. The way this works best is within a reasonable time after the end date - say 60 to 90 days. The members eligible for the extension must have followed the Campaign Leader's stipulations and posted the in-progress work in the official thread for tracking. The Campaign Leader's ruling/decisions stand as well - I support their decision(s) in the event of questionable eligibility.

The whole idea of a scratchbuilding campaign is challenging enough - this is a way to help everyone who wants to join in a chance to finish and be rewarded a Ribbon for completion of their project and inclusion to the KitMaker Gallery to further promote the whole Network.

Jim

Thanks for that Jim........now all we need is for everyone to state their bit .......and ....some one to run it ------
More input required guys and gals.
aye
BARV
(GOSMG)

Well, I personally think you've got all the right stuff to be the Campaign Leader yourself - if you were so inclined!

I'd join up, naturally, and be there to help you out along the way too - you or anyone else wanting to become the CL for this idea shouldn't worry about being left alone!

Jim

Well, I’m in! Just busy finally finishing an Academy PzIV to BergePanzer IV with hull correction. Just got Dragon’s PzIV E and it has a spare hull – Go Figure!

Only thing is; How do you measure percentage on a scratchbuild?

I’m going to be entering either a BREM-80U, if I can get enough reference material, failing that I’ll be building a BTS-2.

I'm with Jim, you take the reigns Steve!

I'm in. I'll have to poke around to find a subject I (a) like and (b) have plans for.

I'm kind of leaning toward building an Assault Tank T14, an experimental variant of the Sherman. I'll use lots of little kit parts and fittings, as well as Sherman tracks and road wheels, but I think about 75% will be scratch.

I might be able to do a 50-75% as i'd need the Hull of the tank as the base anyway...LOL

Hi all!

I have a question: would already started projects be allowed to participate? I'm currently in the "middle" of a scratchbuild and would like to know if it would be elligible for the Campaign...

Jean-Luc

I'm in for a campaign... I was just about to start a 1/24 race car hauler, so your timing is perfect. I like a deadline as well, gives me something to work towards. As far as percentage-wise, I can accomodate any rules.
Rob

Ok...since i've been re-arrainging my area...(this time it's back out in the "man-room" , a 12x20 metal building in the backyard) and i'm following the advise of a trusted friend to spend some time doing what "I" want to do.....I'm in...this one to the end...how about a 9 month limit?
Thats the average 6 month and an added three month buffer zone.

I've collected enough scratchbuilding material to make a mid-sized car
This will give me a chance to try out some of the techniques i've seen you guys using on your benches.

Yes Matt...i said i'm in. Don't laugh monkeyboy. or i'll tell all your secrets...hehe

BARV you have been an inspiration to many of us in the past,

now... "Lead us into temptation...but deliver us from evil."

hey, that would be a great title for the campaign...

anyway...IN

"Lead us into temptation"

kglack

hello:

I´m at the same situation as Jan-Luc... I have some scratchprojects in process and need to know if a project in process is ok

actually need to choose betwen projects in process:

kurze bruno( 28 cms german railgun)
theodore bruno ( 24 cms german railgun )
schwere bruno ( 28 cms german railgun )
lange bruno ( 28 cms german railgun )
dora ( 80 cms german railgun )
artillerienflakwagon ( 20 mms quadruple AA and 105 mm gun ) flakwagon ( 88 mm )
Siegfried ( 38 cms german railgun )
kranwagon
armoured locomotive BR 57

sincerly i wish to be closing circles and fnish all the projects, so i dont want to start another more (K12 Wilhelm 21cms german railgun ), i have all the plans ready to start but...need to finish projects.

the idea of a campaign of scratchprojects is a great idea ¡¡¡

HMMMMM ok Fotoboy.......................... (Trying my Damndest not to Laugh)
I Still have that other box....................................... if you're interested

Count me in. I see the majority would like to see a 50 to 75% build....sounds good. If I like to do a 100% build would that be all right. This is going to be very interesting, looking forward to seeing the many builds.

Joe

Correct me if i'm wrong...but, in competitions you may enter the scratchbuilder's contest with 25% scratched on a kit....right?

just a clairfication...and added pe or other add-on sub-kits don't count as scratched.

right?

kevin

IPMS:



AMPS
http://www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/contestRules.aspx

Not seeing any Percntages..................................

I don't think the original intention of the thread was to debate "what scratchbuilding means to me" - but a call for fellow modelers who like to fashion their own modification and conversion parts to come together and further promote a skill or set of skills that are quietly in demise.

When I suggested that "defining scratchbuilding" would be helpful for a Group Build or a Campaign, it was in recognition that many modelers who have been building models for a long time have a dramatically different definition of what "scratchbuilding" is. No definition, from 1970's through this decade are wrong - but when you're putting on an activitiy with a bunch of people, it is better to define the parameters of the activity.

Though AMPS and IPMS defines "scratchbuilding" in a particular way to administer scale model competitions - Campaigns and Group Builds here are not "contests" and do not have to adhere to established tenets elsewhere. That's why I made the suggestion - to clarify it for all who would want to take part in it.

I think the pure celebration of handcrafting (to whatever degree the modeler sees fit) their own parts to make a model subject unique is a great activity - and should go forward.

Jim