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I am getting fed up with
IanSadler

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Posted: Monday, August 02, 2004 - 02:09 AM UTC
Hi All, I am getting fed up with requests to copies or scans of articles and photographs to which I do not own copywrite . As of today I will bin all such requests and you will not recieve a reply . You have been warned . ian Sadler
DRAGONSLAIN

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Posted: Monday, August 02, 2004 - 02:33 AM UTC
hey, make just one more copy for me please :-) :-) :-)
GunTruck

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Posted: Monday, August 02, 2004 - 02:37 AM UTC
Ummm - Okay!
This adds a new dimension to the phrase "Just Say NO!"
Gunnie
This adds a new dimension to the phrase "Just Say NO!"
Gunnie
kglack56

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Posted: Monday, August 02, 2004 - 03:29 AM UTC
Ian...
Ian the copy miester
Ian the copynator
Ian the ayatolla of xeroxes
Ian (fleming) Dr. NO
Rgr....copy that
Ian the copy miester
Ian the copynator
Ian the ayatolla of xeroxes
Ian (fleming) Dr. NO
Rgr....copy that
blaster76

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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 05:28 PM UTC
UMMM....what am I missing here? Are you the reference God or something? What are you being "hunded "on to copy or scan?
MrRoo

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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 06:50 PM UTC
hmmmm.......hang on. You better be banned from most of the info here as each individual poster owns the copyright for, or is in breach of copyright posting the info they do.
So if it is for reference only and not being used commercially why not help your mates if they ask. After all one day one of them (us) may have something you want
So if it is for reference only and not being used commercially why not help your mates if they ask. After all one day one of them (us) may have something you want
PvtParts

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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 06:52 PM UTC
Was it something I said?
jimbrae

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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 11:20 PM UTC
Frankly, I'm getting fed up seeing this message on every modelling website... Is this not a copyright infringement?...Jim
Kelley

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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 07:53 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Frankly, I'm getting fed up seeing this message on every modelling website... Is this not a copyright infringement?...Jim
Well put Jim, thank you!
Mike
capnjock

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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 10:58 PM UTC
Oh dear, oh dear, a nerve has been touched. On a Sunday too. For shame, for shame.
capnjock
capnjock
husky1943

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Posted: Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 01:29 AM UTC
Ciao IanSadler,
I have to confess that I have no idea of what you are talking about. I promise not to ask you to copy anything, but I do have a question.....Could you trace something for me? :-) :-)
I'm kidding. If anyone needs a copy of a reference, I can try to help out.
Ciao for now
Rob
I have to confess that I have no idea of what you are talking about. I promise not to ask you to copy anything, but I do have a question.....Could you trace something for me? :-) :-)
I'm kidding. If anyone needs a copy of a reference, I can try to help out.
Ciao for now
Rob
Komet

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 03:35 AM UTC
Hi All, I am getting fed up with requests to copies or scans of articles and photographs to which I do not own copywrite . As of today I will bin all such requests and you will not recieve a reply .
..........What the
are you talking about??????????????????????????
..........What the
are you talking about??????????????????????????keenan

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:29 AM UTC
I would add my input here but I have to burn some DVD's and download some tunes from Kazaa.
Shaun
/Hoping everyone has a sense of humor/ :-) :-) :-)
Shaun
/Hoping everyone has a sense of humor/ :-) :-) :-)
StarTraveler

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:30 AM UTC
"Copyright infringements" are one of the biggest issues on the internet and one of the biggest misunderstood. Copyrights are in place to protect the intellectual property of a person so another person cannot gain financially off of their work.
Copyright infringements come into play when a copyrighted article, picture, writing, idea, etc. is used without permission for a commercial purpose or in using to generate revenue / turn a profit.
Under your definition, if I download an image off of Guntruck's web site (example) to better help me build / detail a model, then that would be copyright infringement, when in reality it is not. I have not benefited financially or have taken credit for work which is not mine.
If this site charged an admission, dues, etc. then copyright infringement becomes a very big issue. If you copy something and then sell it to a fellow member, then copyright infringement is an issue.
If I go to your house to visit, and you show me a picture in a book that I use to better or reference a model I am building, that is not copyright infringement. Same thing appies if you make a copy of a pic or take a quote from the book, not an infringement.
In this scenario, all of the pics of new models coming out, pics of books coming out, references to existing model cover art, models themselves, etc. would be copyright infringement all over this site. I know that when someone posts a pic of a new model coming out that they do not always (if ever) get the expressed written permission from the model company and the owner of the cover art.
Disclaimer: This is the opinion given to me by a lawyer friend of mine specifically relating to this post. FYI Copyright laws confuse the hell out of me as well !!!
Copyright infringements come into play when a copyrighted article, picture, writing, idea, etc. is used without permission for a commercial purpose or in using to generate revenue / turn a profit.
Under your definition, if I download an image off of Guntruck's web site (example) to better help me build / detail a model, then that would be copyright infringement, when in reality it is not. I have not benefited financially or have taken credit for work which is not mine.
If this site charged an admission, dues, etc. then copyright infringement becomes a very big issue. If you copy something and then sell it to a fellow member, then copyright infringement is an issue.
If I go to your house to visit, and you show me a picture in a book that I use to better or reference a model I am building, that is not copyright infringement. Same thing appies if you make a copy of a pic or take a quote from the book, not an infringement.
In this scenario, all of the pics of new models coming out, pics of books coming out, references to existing model cover art, models themselves, etc. would be copyright infringement all over this site. I know that when someone posts a pic of a new model coming out that they do not always (if ever) get the expressed written permission from the model company and the owner of the cover art.
Disclaimer: This is the opinion given to me by a lawyer friend of mine specifically relating to this post. FYI Copyright laws confuse the hell out of me as well !!!
mikeli125

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:34 PM UTC
So if you made a dio of a pic you seen in a book would that class as a breach of copyright? what if you later sold it to some one what then? as I'll bet there are a load of models ect copied from books ect
matt

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 06:33 PM UTC
it's more like....If you photocopied a book and sold it to make profit.........
husky1943

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 08:51 PM UTC
Ciao Matt,
Not necessarily. When you place a picture on the web, technically you are "publishing" it. This would require the permission of the owner. But, as StarTraveler had written, lots of people do this with box art of a model (and the reason that the company nevers causes trouble is because they are receiving "free" publicity.)
Ciao for now
Rob
Not necessarily. When you place a picture on the web, technically you are "publishing" it. This would require the permission of the owner. But, as StarTraveler had written, lots of people do this with box art of a model (and the reason that the company nevers causes trouble is because they are receiving "free" publicity.)
Ciao for now
Rob
matt

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 09:29 PM UTC
but you're still not profiting from it...... At least that's the way I always understood it.
husky1943

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 09:50 PM UTC
Ciao Matt,
That's true. All I know for sure is that I'm not an attorney.
Ciao for now
Rob
That's true. All I know for sure is that I'm not an attorney.
Ciao for now
Rob
brandydoguk

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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 10:07 PM UTC
Quoted Text
but you're still not profiting from it...... At least that's the way I always understood it.
From what I understand it makes no diference whether or not any profit is made. For one thing by copying someone's work and distributing it for free you may be hurting the commercial value of that person's work.
The fact that no money is being made may be taken into consideration when a court awards damages for breach of copyright.
Copying other people's work is allowable under "Fair Use" if it is used as part of a review or critique of their work. So putting pictures into a model review is fine if they are to illustrate comments in the text of the review.
Arthur

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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 04:47 AM UTC
IE,the original post ,it just me,or i am i missing something,Iain what are you talking about.
Arthur
Arthur
husky1943

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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 12:00 PM UTC
Ciao Arthur,
No, you have not missed anything. None of us know what he is talking about.
Ciao for now
Rob
No, you have not missed anything. None of us know what he is talking about.
Ciao for now
Rob
kglack43

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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 10:37 AM UTC
Well, after reading the article Ian did on the DUKW (because i'm in the middle of one meself) and i must say it has been quite helpful...but, in reading the ending note from I an on the article , I have have q question about his use of copyrighted materials....
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I mean, I get what he's been ranting on about concerning photcopyied articles and sending them to people, but isn't that just another way to "loan" a book to a friend?
Come on Ian, this ain't Napster and yer not Lars.
And if your "loaning" materials to people has gotton out of hand, then why on earth did you start?
BTW, could you please reload your gallery images so I can finish DLing your images to my hard drive?
Thanks Bud and cheers Mate,
Kevin
Quoted Text
I am indebted to Phil Stevens from Birmingham IPMS club for the loan of the last book listed as this one book proved to be the most valuable in tying all the details together. And above all making sense of all the notes I had made from the other books. It proves once more the benefit of belonging to a club, Cheers Phil.
A final note on the books used in this research project, in some cases there is only a single photograph in the whole book, but as they say one photograph is worth a thousand words and on more than one occasion this has proved to be true. Each in its own way adds to the total project and helps to clarify details.
As more information comes available I will be adding to these notes. So if you have any information about alterations to the DUKW series please feel free to either add them or contact me with your information.
Ian Sadler
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I mean, I get what he's been ranting on about concerning photcopyied articles and sending them to people, but isn't that just another way to "loan" a book to a friend?
Come on Ian, this ain't Napster and yer not Lars.
And if your "loaning" materials to people has gotton out of hand, then why on earth did you start?
BTW, could you please reload your gallery images so I can finish DLing your images to my hard drive?
Thanks Bud and cheers Mate,
Kevin
Hiram_Sedai

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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 11:09 AM UTC
Would it help any if I were to apologize? I know how to do so in a couple of languages and since I an unworthy of attention from my betters, I can do so at an moment's notice. I have nothing to do with the topic whatsoever, but I can grovel if the need arises.
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