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Ethylacetate Superior original purpose
straightedge
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 10:33 AM UTC
I've been told to go to any hardware store in America, and I could find it, well I went to lowes, home depot, a couple drug stores, and nobody has a clue what it is. Somebody from Stockholm said they find it in drug stores over there, but I turned this town upside down and no ethylacetate superior, they told me if I had an idea of what it is used for then they might have a clue on where to find it. Everytime I heard about it they say it comes in a quart bottle only and it makes the best model glue there is, but its original intent is not model glue, and nobody said what its original intent was, so if sombody could tell me its original intent was I might be able to find it. Thank you for your help. Straightedge
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 11:48 AM UTC
Straightedge, I am almost certain that what you ask is about Cyanoacrylate, which is better known as Super Glue.
Ethylacetate which is actually two words - Ethyl acetate, is basically ester, which is used as a solvent.
I hope that clears it up a bit for you.
Ethylacetate which is actually two words - Ethyl acetate, is basically ester, which is used as a solvent.
I hope that clears it up a bit for you.
straightedge
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 02:40 PM UTC
no it wasn't superglue, the other night I had it posted in th glue section and somebody from Stockholm answered, and was mentioning it at one of their model conventions that it was getting mighty popular ethylacetate Superior is correct way to spell it, see I had read about it a while back, and I wrote down the name and checked the spelling a few times to make sure I didn't misspell the word cause I wanted to get some, if it is the cheapest and also the best, but the artical mentioned its original purpose was not gluing models, but it did work for that purpose real great, in the fact that it came in a almost 32oz. container, or the metric version that they would wish it came in a smaller container, cause that is almost two life times worth of glue. I'll try to see who it was that answered the other night in the glue section and try to see who it was.
straightedge
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 02:53 PM UTC
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OK it was Plastic battle a staff member here and he also said he seen it to how it can be brushed on and weld the plastic together without leaving any glue marks, but also not to have any fingers or anything else for it to get under or it will leave a mess, now they said it came in either a quart or liter bottle, and that artical also mentioned super glue and a whole lot of other glues this is totally different, if you look in the tools section you will see his review on it. to how he says it works now I never got to see cause I can't find it here without knowing its original purpose.no it wasn't superglue, the other night I had it posted in th glue section and somebody from Stockholm answered, and was mentioning it at one of their model conventions that it was getting mighty popular ethylacetate Superior is correct way to spell it, see I had read about it a while back, and I wrote down the name and checked the spelling a few times to make sure I didn't misspell the word cause I wanted to get some, if it is the cheapest and also the best, but the artical mentioned its original purpose was not gluing models, but it did work for that purpose real great, in the fact that it came in a almost 32oz. container, or the metric version that they would wish it came in a smaller container, cause that is almost two life times worth of glue. I'll try to see who it was that answered the other night in the glue section and try to see who it was.
Kencelot
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 03:05 PM UTC
Hmmm (scratching head).
I have never heard of it till this evening. I did find a couple of articles that speak of using for models. One such article said it was purchased at a pharmacy.
As to what it's original purpose was, I have no idea.
I have never heard of it till this evening. I did find a couple of articles that speak of using for models. One such article said it was purchased at a pharmacy.
As to what it's original purpose was, I have no idea.
straightedge
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:08 PM UTC
Just if we can get plasticbattle to read on the bottle to tell us what its original purpose is for I might be able to find it, yes like he said he found it at the pharmacy in Stockholm, but they said the hardwares have it here in the US., but I even tried the drug stores here. I'll go back to tools to see if plasticbattle will say more on it. Thank you guys for trying.
straightedge
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:22 PM UTC
I guess plasticbattle really don't have a bottle either, that he just seen them at the model expo, or something like that.
firemann816
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 05:07 PM UTC
FWIW -
http://www.speclab.com/compound/c141786.htm
If you find any, and use it, I'd like to hear more about it.
CA is great but expensive
http://www.speclab.com/compound/c141786.htm
If you find any, and use it, I'd like to hear more about it.
CA is great but expensive
straightedge
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 05:45 PM UTC
My apologies when writing it down I for got to put the comma in that it is Ethylacetate, not ethylacetate superior, see I found the original writing on it, and he was stating that it was a superior model glue, and without the comma I assumed it was ethylacetate superior, cause it has been a while.
straightedge
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 07:14 PM UTC
Thank You for the tip Firemann I went there and put that in my files in hopes that can help me round some up, but you know this might not help to glue on PE brass and stuff, I believe this is only good for plastic against plastic, now I'm not sure, but the way it was described to me that you put the two pieces of plastic together and through capillary action it welds the two pieces together, like I said I'm not sure about anything else.
tek2
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 04:16 AM UTC
Hi All
Could the original purpose of this stuff be to glue PVC piping together? I once watched a plumber attach this tubing using a small can in which the top had a built-in, cloth ball as with liquid shoe polish. He swiped the inside of the PVC joint with this stuff and it joined the two pieces rock solid in an instant. I couldn't get a whiff of the stuff so I can't tell you what it smelled like.
But maybe?
Could the original purpose of this stuff be to glue PVC piping together? I once watched a plumber attach this tubing using a small can in which the top had a built-in, cloth ball as with liquid shoe polish. He swiped the inside of the PVC joint with this stuff and it joined the two pieces rock solid in an instant. I couldn't get a whiff of the stuff so I can't tell you what it smelled like.
But maybe?
tazz
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 04:46 AM UTC
i think tony greenland uses this glue.
i have 2 read his book.
its really strong stuff
but i could be wrong about it
i have 2 read his book.
its really strong stuff
but i could be wrong about it
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 08:13 AM UTC
I have been searching for a while about this stuff. It is a solvent. Pharmacys here in sweden carry a base supply of technical chemicals like Ethylacetate and Isopropynol that can be used for modelling.
Found this when I did a google; Ethylacetate is a solvent with many applications, including paints, dyes, plastics, and rubber, and is regarded as one of the least environmentally hazardous of organic solvents. It is both highly effective and easily broken down in both air and water.
One guy on the Stockholm IPMS suggested looking for it where they spray cars. As its cheap and quite safe for the environemnt. They use it for cleaning airbrushes ....... non plastic ... its supposed to be great for lifting paint, but not too kind to plastic. As far as I know it only works on styrene plastics and is not a substitute for CA.
Hopefully this might help a little more!
Found this when I did a google; Ethylacetate is a solvent with many applications, including paints, dyes, plastics, and rubber, and is regarded as one of the least environmentally hazardous of organic solvents. It is both highly effective and easily broken down in both air and water.
One guy on the Stockholm IPMS suggested looking for it where they spray cars. As its cheap and quite safe for the environemnt. They use it for cleaning airbrushes ....... non plastic ... its supposed to be great for lifting paint, but not too kind to plastic. As far as I know it only works on styrene plastics and is not a substitute for CA.
Hopefully this might help a little more!
Sealhead
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 08:59 AM UTC
Just a wild shot, but what about lab supply outfits, chemical distributors, etc.? If you know its ethyl acetate, it shouldn't bee too hard to find, but get a sample if you can to make sure it works.
Sealhead
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(Kansas Sunflower)straightedge
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 09:55 AM UTC
I tried to look it up to, and all I could find was its boiling point which I don't need, and even how it smells, and all its technical stuff, but nothing on where you can buy it, I know it won't replace superglue on the other stuff, but like trying to glue this barrel together, now it sounded as though it would do a way better job at it then this testors glue is doing. I'd thought somebody that has used it would of answered by now, but maybe they haven't been on line in a while, but I greatly appreciate you people for trying, this seems to be a little harder then I had first thought it would.
Uruk-Hai
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:44 AM UTC
The name is: Ethylis Acetas
I use it exclusivly for styrene for over 20 years. Its the best glue that is for this. Weld the styrene together.
Best bound, cheapist and least toxic. 1l bottle cost me about 11 Euro.
You can thin paint and filler with it.
One of its uses is to kill insects. Collectors of insects that is. Vinegar Eter is a similar name it my translation is correct.
Could this be the chemical formula: CH3 COOC2 H5
Hope this helps.
I use it exclusivly for styrene for over 20 years. Its the best glue that is for this. Weld the styrene together.
Best bound, cheapist and least toxic. 1l bottle cost me about 11 Euro.
You can thin paint and filler with it.
One of its uses is to kill insects. Collectors of insects that is. Vinegar Eter is a similar name it my translation is correct.
Could this be the chemical formula: CH3 COOC2 H5
Hope this helps.
PLMP110
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:17 AM UTC
Methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) is what I use for glue. I got a gallon container from a friend of mine about 8 years ago and I'm nowhere near the bottom of the contaner. This stuff is superthin and dries really fast. Good strong bond is accomplished when I use MEK. It is a solvent too, so it may be a substitute for ethylacetate. Maybe easier to find on this side of the pond.
Patrick
Patrick
straightedge
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:09 PM UTC
no Toke, they say the chemical make up is C4 H8 O2 Molecular weight 88.10 see my travel is very limited, and I don't leave the house very often cause of my health, and by the time I got to home depot they were real good to me, they seen I was in no shape to go through the store so they got me a seat and they went looking for me, I couldn't of asked for better help, but unfortunately they didn't have it, after I was able to rest a bit then then the both of us went back to the plumbing but didn't find anything there resembling it either. Then he said if I could just find the original use he might be able to find it for me, and at that time I had no idea, but last night we tried to look it up on the computer and found just about a whole page of uses but not where to buy it. The person that originally wrote the artical lives here in the US and he said just any hardware should have it, but not in this town.
firemann816
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:48 PM UTC
The plumbers PVC glue is strong stuff, I think if thinned it might be okay but not thinned it would warp plastic, you saw how fast it bonded the PVC.
I know Home Depot sells MEK, and was always afraid of its toxicity
When i ggogled the ethylacetate I saw some distributors in the return hits.
Try googleing it again StraightEdge.
Toke -
Think you could write us a HowTo on this stuff sometime???
Thanks All
I know Home Depot sells MEK, and was always afraid of its toxicity
When i ggogled the ethylacetate I saw some distributors in the return hits.
Try googleing it again StraightEdge.
Toke -
Think you could write us a HowTo on this stuff sometime???
Thanks All
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:54 PM UTC
Hi PLMP110 ....... be carefull with that MEK stuff ..... quite deadly ... literally. The ethylacetate is much safer!
There is quite strong fumes from the Ethylacetate and according to the Safety data sheet, the fumes can irritate the eyes. Dont leave the lid off.
What TOKE is suggesting cannot be wrong ....... these guys have been using it from years .... it was him and others that told me about it in the first place!
There is quite strong fumes from the Ethylacetate and according to the Safety data sheet, the fumes can irritate the eyes. Dont leave the lid off.
What TOKE is suggesting cannot be wrong ....... these guys have been using it from years .... it was him and others that told me about it in the first place!
sgtreef
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 12:04 AM UTC
Any chemicial house sells Ethyl Acetate.
I use to get mine at Bradon's chemicials for $8.00 a Quart but many years ago makes a great plastic glue also for plexiglass!!
I use to get mine at Bradon's chemicials for $8.00 a Quart but many years ago makes a great plastic glue also for plexiglass!!
Tankleader
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 12:23 AM UTC
Hello All,
What type of fumes does this stuff put out, and why not just use TENAX as it sounds similar in function?
Tanks Out
Andy
What type of fumes does this stuff put out, and why not just use TENAX as it sounds similar in function?
Tanks Out
Andy
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 01:59 AM UTC
I agree with what plasticbattle says about the fumes off Ethyl Acetate I used to use this at work whenI 1st left school we used to make plastic bags of allsorts and this was used to clean the ink off the print presses it really stinks the printers were always high as a kite due to the fumes it also caused our surgical goves to distort after a while definetly use in a very very well ventilated area we used to have 50 gallon drums full of it come to think,
Uruk-Hai
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 07:42 AM UTC
Ok were back with more information. The translation is of Ethyl Acetate is Acetic Acid. Do a search for this on google and you will come up with many hits that will be useful for obtaining it.
Now to what others have claimed that I feel have to be adressed.
Etylacetat=Ethyl Acetat=Acetic Acid is NOT the same as superglue.
It is true that MEK contains Ethyl Acetate among other stuff. However MEK is pretty toxic and pure Ethyl Acetat is cheaper, safer and better. Some also use nail polish remover as it contains Ethyl Acetat.
Im not a chemist, here is my source although in swedish, language of the gods and heroes:
http://www.skolweb.vaxjo.se/skola/katedral1/kemi_jamvikter.htm
Sometime, Yes but not before the end of April as I dont seem to have as much time for modelling as I would like to have.
Aceton works for some plastics but only disolves styrene, it does not bound it.
Because Tenax is more expensive, an inferior glue, more toxic and smells like yesterdays diapers. My experiences when Ive tried Tenax is that the fumes are much much harder on you and your family.
Im not sure here but it sounds like youre mistaken Ethyl Acetat for MEK which I know is being used as youve described. Also evaporation comes from either boiling or surface evaporation. A big puddle have worse fumes than the same amount in a jar with a small opening and applied in drops.
Hope this have sorted some things out.
Now to what others have claimed that I feel have to be adressed.
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Straightedge, I am almost certain that what you ask is about Cyanoacrylate, which is better known as Super Glue.
Etylacetat=Ethyl Acetat=Acetic Acid is NOT the same as superglue.
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Methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) is what I use for glue. I got a gallon container from a friend of mine about 8 years ago and I'm nowhere near the bottom of the contaner.
It is true that MEK contains Ethyl Acetate among other stuff. However MEK is pretty toxic and pure Ethyl Acetat is cheaper, safer and better. Some also use nail polish remover as it contains Ethyl Acetat.
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no Toke, they say the chemical make up is C4 H8 O2 Molecular weight 88.10
Im not a chemist, here is my source although in swedish, language of the gods and heroes:
http://www.skolweb.vaxjo.se/skola/katedral1/kemi_jamvikter.htm
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Toke -
Think you could write us a HowTo on this stuff sometime???
Sometime, Yes but not before the end of April as I dont seem to have as much time for modelling as I would like to have.
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I do believe that if you search for the product under the generic name of Acetone, you will find what you need.
Aceton works for some plastics but only disolves styrene, it does not bound it.
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What type of fumes does this stuff put out, and why not just use TENAX as it sounds similar in function?
Because Tenax is more expensive, an inferior glue, more toxic and smells like yesterdays diapers. My experiences when Ive tried Tenax is that the fumes are much much harder on you and your family.
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I agree with what plasticbattle says about the fumes off Ethyl Acetate I used to use this at work whenI 1st left school we used to make plastic bags of
Im not sure here but it sounds like youre mistaken Ethyl Acetat for MEK which I know is being used as youve described. Also evaporation comes from either boiling or surface evaporation. A big puddle have worse fumes than the same amount in a jar with a small opening and applied in drops.
Hope this have sorted some things out.
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