I uderstand your poit of view but is just a poit of view,you give a cost to your free time some people not,i have 2 little kids and i can spend if i am really lucky 2-3h a week on modeling,but i dont care if i spend that 3h just on 1 wheel or on a full kit....i am not paid by production %,i am paid by FUN!...

I have a fiend who make 1-2 model every year...model not kit...becose hi scratchbuild the 90% of the model,is workshop looks like the Evergreen factories,buy just old kit to use like spare parts,for me is a total madness but hi enjoi that and dont like bild kits any more....it's a hobby and everybody does wath make im happy with or with out AM,scratchbuild,new or old kit...i prefere New kit!!..

Sorry Mate but i never done any English at school French,Italian and German but Unfortunately not English

your or that of the Bloke you quote is just a opinion like my not a law,i prefere me to a new Meng kit but i can easily understand some body spend hours of is precious time and $$ "fixing" a old Monogram Kit just for pleasure,why?...becose hi can...i do that with old Vespa's and for me is something similar,if is a hobby the most important part is like wath do you do and have fun,becose you find something foolish does not means that thing IS foolish!

Am I still buying/building older kits? No mate I've done all the old ones already! (Joke)

First, let me congratulate Vicious on speaking English much better than I speak German, Italian, or French.

Second, inasmuch as there still is no right or wrong answer I think my own way of thinking aligns more with Vicious'. If one does models on commission (which I don't, so I am admittedly no expert), then Sauerteig's point is well taken as an important business consideration. However, I'm not sure the same logic necessarily applies when one is talking about a hobby. Everyone has their own calculus in determining the value of their recreational time, and that value is largely a factor of what one enjoys. In business it totally makes sense to minimize the amount of time spent to turn out a product to customer specs, but in a hobby where you are your own customer it seems to me the opposite is true. And if scratchbuilding happens to be your thing then why not utilize kits that provide the most opportunities to do that? Not everyone does, so to each his own.

Thankyou Mark but i have to admit the Google Tranlator App help me a lot!

I agree in businnes Sauerteig point probably the best approach but in hobby were the model i build is for "Me My self and I" personaly dont care a lot about my production rate....we already have to think about that 8 bloody hour a day....in my free time no thanks!!....

I'd say do whatever floats your boat.

Sorry but if you think so Rational why you a grown-up man you waist your precius time and money on a scale plastic model kit?...that thing for milion and milion of people is just a crap piece of plastic expecially made to attract dust on a shelf!!... paraphrasing the Rolling Stone " It's Only Rock 'n Roll But I Like It!!"...

a Hobby the majority of the time is not Rational!!

sorry folks i am going ....

Hi Vicious, I've also got two young kids and like you said, if I'm being paid in fun, any amount of time spent at the bench is worth it.

There are certainly times when it hasn't been fun. For example, I needed a set of wheels with snow chains. Instead of spending a few bucks on a set of resin wheels, the little voice in the back of my head said, "I can build that." While it turns out I can build them, it was a frustrating experience and the time and effort in this case wasn't worth it. In that instance I would agree with Sauerteig' s Greenland quote.

I guess it's all pretty subjective

Yep i uderstand 100% and i agree,i dont say Sauerteig is wrong!!...i just say wath is a waist of time for me can be a lot of fun for the person next to me...i am building a 1/72 FT-17 and i scratch build some parts i can easily buy AM but personali i find a joy to do by my self...other people tell me i am crazy and i uderstand...

Unless you enjoy scratch-building, and you don't have a huge budget to spend on high-end kits and pricey AM upgrades.

Not saying your way of thinking is wrong; just saying you can't conclude it must be right for everyone because it's right for you. That may not be what you intended to convey, but it's what it sounds like.

There's not even one right answer for me; Sometimes I like building super high quality (and cost) kits, and sometimes I like the challenge of making the most of an old dog of a kit.

And for the sake of full disclosure: My skills are not refined that I can churn out museum-quality results and make it look easy, which many on this site can. Under those circumstances I prefer not to spend a pile of money on something that may not turn out how I want; whereas, every bit of time spent is gets me closer to the summit.

Ok Alleluja...I get it...We(mere mortals) have opinions,you enlightened man of wisdom have the Truth...

...what i can say....AMEN!...


now becose try to discuss with people like you is a massive waste of time,probably is more productive scratchbuilt a pencil in 1/72 from a Sequoia i prefere to vanish from this topic fast like a Fart in a fan factory....see ya

Guys,

We all have our opinions and our different reasons for modelling.

Please can we keep this discussion on the subject and not get into personal remarks and attacks? (That's to all, so don't think it's aimed at any one individual).

I'm in the 'fun' process of scribing panel lines on the old Revell/Monogram B-29. Sometimes the only way to build a certain kit, you gotta get something old and try to upgrade it.

I also reckon that half of my stash is second hand. So, old or not, a bargain is a bargain.

Best wishes,

Gary

We are talking about a hobby here, right?

If yes the "correct thing to do" is what brings you the most fun!

For me that is building a "new" kit OOB, for others it is taking an "old" one and scratching/using AM. As long as one gets fun from it - he's doing it right.

Same with other hobbies. They are not "rational" they are "for fun". They do not have to produce optimal results, do nat have to be perfect. Just fun and relaxation.

Last Saturday I spend two hours freezing my ass off while standing at the Mittelland-Kanal wielding a EOS 60D+Tamron 70-200/f2.8+Tripod combo (That I lugged there through the mud woods for 3km before) to shoot some pictures of ducks. Mallards to be exact, the most common type of duck in germany. They are there every year and start "pairing up". Similar pictures can be found on the internet by the hundrets. My neighbour who told me "go there" had done some a day or two before with a better set of equipment (5D3+70-200 Canon). Going there was stupid, ineffective and irrational. It would have been more effective to ask him for the RAW or JPEG files.

Best 6km and 3hours I spend in weeks. Love the pictures. Came back totally relaxed. In short I HAD FUN!

Obtw: I AM taking the "long road" from A to B when I have the time. Maybe a foto opportunity comes up there, may be not. But on the SHORT road (aka Autobahn) it definitly will NOT come up. Just yesterday took the ferry at Kaiserswerth instead of the bridge. Got a nice picture of it against the setting sun. Sure, that motive has been done by others. But not be me.

WRONG! TOTALLY WRONG!

YOU don't have to DO it! YOU don't have to PARTICIPATE in it!

But unless you employ them AND they are at work or they invade your privat space you have to ACCEPT that OTHER PEOPLE DO IT! Just like THEY have to accept whatever YOU do!

So if I want to build an old Monogramm clunker while listening to gangsta rap, watching a porn movie and getting seriously stones while in my stained underwear - you just have to accept that.

Even that Tony guy must accept that he has ABSOLUTELY NO SAY in what I DO in MY TIME with MY MONEY. He's free to stand in a public park and wave a protest sign, buy adds in magazins etc.

But if he tries to stop me, and that is what it means not to ACCEPT what I do, then there is a good chance the authorites will help find out what "Eisenhaltiges Abführmittel with 12 letters" means in germany.

Where I come from the general consensus is "Once the other guy is down to insults and personal attacks mentally pat him on the head, say Ja, Ja and go out to do something more useful. Say breeding Dustpuppies"

So "Ja, Ja"

I think Sauerteig's point is that he has just as much a right to advocate an unpopular idea as anyone else has to choose between whatever form of modeling they choose. I don't agree with his opinion on modeling, but I support his right to hold it.

that said, I think he might be more persuasive if he refined his presentation, but that's not really to the point.