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Just a rant...
firemann816
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2003 - 01:49 PM UTC

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Shep Paine probably was one of those snotty kids at one time.

~Chip :-)


He probably built a purple TIE at least once in his life :-)
If he hasn't my little girl can walk him through it, np.
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2003 - 01:54 PM UTC
My first model after 30 years looked pretty bad! Glue control is a skilled earned by doing LOTS of models--and painting is pretty much the same.
My first thought was that if this had been at regulation model show, then there would be a problem!
'Nuf said,
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2003 - 02:06 PM UTC

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My first thought was that if this had been at regulation model show, then there would be a problem!


Man, what kind of model shows have you been to? In the Kansas City area, every show I have been to has rewarded every junior modeler -- no matter how good or "creative" their efforts -- with at least an "honorable mention" ribbon to take home. If we don't encourage these kids, we'll lose them to some other hobby (or worse) and where will the future lead?

MEMB -- It took a lot of guts to post that apology. My hat's off to you.

I think we've all learned or been reminded of some things by this thread.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 04:34 AM UTC

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I think we've all learned or been reminded of some things by this thread.


Yeah so true
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 04:36 AM UTC
Hey Firemann! You really like this thread don't you? Jim
MEBM
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 04:41 AM UTC
Wow, who would've thought that something so bad could turn out to be something so good?
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I think we ought to try to simulate a virtual "Make and Take" as a Toys for Tots from Armorama.com

If enough folks show interest in donating/participating I''ll volunteer the time to work the logisitcs with the Armorama staff

Maybe, maybe...
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 05:45 AM UTC

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ok well this looks like a hot topic bu i agree with hollopoint, we all start from some place when it comes to this hobby and as for competitions well i have had a few run ins with so called judges. the one isue was that when i was in vietnam on holiday i brought back some lovely red earth too use in a dio. when i did use it i was told that it wasn't the right colour !!!! thats IPMS for you, thier head planted in a dark hole behind them if you get my drift.


That was an individual member of IPMS. His criteria was not in keeping with the National Rules of IPMS/USA. Just as any mameber of any group can be a dipwad, this is waht this guy was. As the disclaimers suggest, the views expressed by that jamoke don't necessarily reflect reality as it is known in this universe.

There was a discussion of accuracy as a measure of basic modeling. The guy who advocated that a model needed to be accurized to be considered a potential trophy winner was handed his head on a plate. I'm quoting here from the IPMS Competition handbook available at http://www.ipmsusa.org/CH_index.html " TARGET="_blank"> http://www.ipmsusa.org/CH_index.html


"Absolute accuracy is a noble, but probably unattainable, goal. No scale model is ever 100% accurate, yet some people urge that models be judged principally on their accuracy. This is a real minefield. Yes, gross inaccuracy should be easy to spot — most would agree that a model of an F-86 with forward-swept wings is inaccurate. Beyond that, however, the situation quickly becomes murky and can lead to unfairness in judging. For example, suppose one of the judges for the 1/72 Multi-engine Jet category had spent the better part of 20 years as a USAF F-4 crew chief. That judge is going to be an absolute expert on Phantoms and probably will be able to find inaccuracies of one type or another on every F-4 entered in the category. But is he equally knowledgeable about Canadian CF-100 Canucks? Probably not. So, if he judges solely on the basis of accuracy, there's a real risk that he will unfairly penalize those who entered F-4 models. The Chief Judge and Class Head Judges take pains every year to remind the judges to be aware of this problem and to be fair to all on this issue. But before we get too wrapped around the accuracy debate, remember that judges concentrate first on the modeling aspects. A model with every component built absolutely accurately probably still won't win if seams between the components aren't filled properly. Conversely, a superbly built model containing an inaccuracy could win if it is, in all other respects, the best model in the category. Judges take lots of hits from modelers who know some minute aspect of a prototype and mistakenly believe that judges must also have that much detailed knowledge and more. It's simply not possible for all IPMS judges to match, model for model, the expertise developed by our disparate and incredibly knowledgeable membership. Don't assume that the judges know all the details you know. Help them and help yourself by putting a little time into the entry sheet or any other display material you put out with your model. Judges do read that stuff, and it could make the difference for you."


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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 05:52 AM UTC

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Okay, I'm going to try to right my wrong. ... And being 15, ...All right, I know I can't take back what I said, so I'm going to say this: I'm sorry that I said those things. ALL OF THEM. ...I've done this kind of thing too much. I say (or type, in this case) things before thinking, especially when I'm angry about a stupid little thing. Above all, I'm sorry for this post, I'm sorry to everyone who had to read it, and I'm especially sorry for my attitude towards the kids and their models.


You show the signs of genuine maturity. It takes a lot of cojones (in the good sense) to come out here and say you were wrong and apologize. But, hey, you're 15, for crying out loud! It's part of your job description as a 15 year old to be impulsive. #:-) You're okay in my book, my friend.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 06:45 AM UTC
I think our young friend performed a valuable service, both to himself and the hobby.Good for you to open an idea, and answer yourself. You, sir, will be heard from again.

An aside, I once built a Tamiya M 152 A 2 , wit htrialer, put my bumper numbers on it along with the red fenders, Some cat in a Faux Afrika Korps hat tells me the paint and numbers were wrong,, as well as red clay did not exist in North Alabama . So,I figured well, there goes the AMS AH again..

Back to subject, no problem, young warrior, you are one of the good ones.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 07:43 AM UTC

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Hey Firemann! You really like this thread don't you? Jim


Its where the action's been the last few days

I also check in to see if anyone thought Armorama members should donate models to "Toys for Tots" or something similar, but that hasn't really taken hold..

Like I said
this is where it's been happening...
A good can o' worms

So yeah youre right I like it here
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 10:24 AM UTC
Heya MBM,

look at all the thought and discussion that you've created - that's not a bad thing. Having a view is never bad - and it's even better when you've got lots of friends to chip in their two cents - I guess one of the best aspects of this site.

I only saw a case of this last week - a friend putting together an F111. While he was real keen to get the paint job right, he couldn't see the point in eliminating the seams, which ran
right down the middle of the fuelage and wings. He was happy and enjoyed it.

At the end of the day, it's horses for courses.... some of us take this a little more seriously than the rest of the population... for better or worse #:-)

Cheers,

Cokes.
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