If you are looking at a full replica scale yes its available locally, and mostly are using 4 stroke 91 size engines. I m not so sure about the mechanics of 4 strokes, i myself only use 2 stroke 50 size engines on my helicopters.
If you are keen towards the other foam warbirds, you can still get it here locally from this site. Payment by ATM transfer or internet banking. The shop is own by Eric, a very nice ang moh.
http://www.rc-warbirds.com/index.php/cPath/64_85
But with such prices, you are better off starting with a cheap GWS zero to learn to fly with. Trust me the zero can be made to fly fast. Actually all GWS planes can be overpowered if you want it too.
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Hi Erizemen,
Could you explain to me the differences between 4 stroke and 2 stroke engines? I'm totally clueless about these. I assume the former is more powerful? My guess is true scale birds aren't as easy to fly and would require more powerful engines just because their props are "true to scale" and thus "doesn't cut as much air"?
You can laugh at my comments if they are completely rubbish.
I don't know man, you can tempt me with speed but I think it is not what I'm after. And the reason why I'm into scale modelling is simple - I'm a big fan of "true scale", it is a form sickness not documented... Sorry man, you can tweak GWS warbirds to be the fastest and the bestest in the neighbourhood, but you'll only find me admiring a much slower "true to scale" Wurger in another spot. My philosophy is, if I want to splurge on an RC bird, it's gotta look reallllllly convincing in the air. That goes for RC on sea and land too! Right now I have a huge Trumpeter 1/200 Sovremny Class (aircraft carrier hunter) Destroyer kit that I'm wondering how I should convert it into an RC version... (no, I'm not crazy about ships)
And thanks for the second link! Yes they do sell those birds locally indeed, yoohoo! But no wurgers however...
On the other hand, I see another HUGE favourite of mine that I haven't seen else where! The Bf110 Zestorer!!!! 
That's something even better than the Butcher bird! Now please enlighten me on the differences between 2 and 4 stroke engines, please?...
Sorry Jack, to have highjacked your post. Where were we? You're talking about your Stug III Ausf. A? Have you even started yet? Please finish it before Dragon decides to re-invent their early Panzer III/Stug III series into the Premium or Smart Kit Klasse! Or else, you'll end up putting it up for sale on ebay eventually... That's the reason why many local modellers are in a big hurry of building old Dragon kits - because they are getting obsolete!
Check out my Pz III E based on the same kit hull as yours:
http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~kriegsketten/Lawrence3.htm
The decals sucks and the cupola is a major pain in the butt! I hope your StuG is a better build than mine. Right now I'm salvouring the taste of the new Dragon Panzer IV Ausf F2/G. Got their new Panzer III Ausf J also (lovely kit!), waiting for new Panzer IV Ausf G (Kharkov) kit to come in!
Could you explain to me the differences between 4 stroke and 2 stroke engines? I'm totally clueless about these. I assume the former is more powerful? My guess is true scale birds aren't as easy to fly and would require more powerful engines just because their props are "true to scale" and thus "doesn't cut as much air"?
You can laugh at my comments if they are completely rubbish.I don't know man, you can tempt me with speed but I think it is not what I'm after. And the reason why I'm into scale modelling is simple - I'm a big fan of "true scale", it is a form sickness not documented... Sorry man, you can tweak GWS warbirds to be the fastest and the bestest in the neighbourhood, but you'll only find me admiring a much slower "true to scale" Wurger in another spot. My philosophy is, if I want to splurge on an RC bird, it's gotta look reallllllly convincing in the air. That goes for RC on sea and land too! Right now I have a huge Trumpeter 1/200 Sovremny Class (aircraft carrier hunter) Destroyer kit that I'm wondering how I should convert it into an RC version... (no, I'm not crazy about ships)
And thanks for the second link! Yes they do sell those birds locally indeed, yoohoo! But no wurgers however...
On the other hand, I see another HUGE favourite of mine that I haven't seen else where! The Bf110 Zestorer!!!! That's something even better than the Butcher bird! Now please enlighten me on the differences between 2 and 4 stroke engines, please?... Sorry Jack, to have highjacked your post. Where were we? You're talking about your Stug III Ausf. A? Have you even started yet? Please finish it before Dragon decides to re-invent their early Panzer III/Stug III series into the Premium or Smart Kit Klasse! Or else, you'll end up putting it up for sale on ebay eventually... That's the reason why many local modellers are in a big hurry of building old Dragon kits - because they are getting obsolete!
Check out my Pz III E based on the same kit hull as yours:
http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~kriegsketten/Lawrence3.htm
The decals sucks and the cupola is a major pain in the butt! I hope your StuG is a better build than mine. Right now I'm salvouring the taste of the new Dragon Panzer IV Ausf F2/G. Got their new Panzer III Ausf J also (lovely kit!), waiting for new Panzer IV Ausf G (Kharkov) kit to come in!
Totenkorp
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Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 04:06 PM UTC
Howdy! Sorry was away in BKK and got back not long ago.... My Stug A is at primer stage then i went to M's modelling class n picked up a Tamiya Stug for practice!! Plus the Georg Bose Stug kit which jus arrived at Bernard's shop as well....haiz...my build schedule is so backdated now that i have so many kits in backlog! Didnt even get a chance to pick up teh Vorpanzer dude!! Instead i got the Panther A Premium kit off ebay from HK and will receive that next mth when my mum carries it home for me kekekeekk!
Your Panzer 111 is awesome, am afraid i am still light years away from your building standards! Lets hope after Bernard's lessons i can achieve your standards, before posting my pics at all! Oh btw i ordered 2 sets of Zimmerit from Cavaliar , 1 for my Panther n 1 for my Tiger1. Pretty good stuff considering the price i paid for them! Atak is so much more expensive and seeing that i am a newbie, i thought better dont waste $ jus yet!! Have you tried Zimm?
Your Panzer 111 is awesome, am afraid i am still light years away from your building standards! Lets hope after Bernard's lessons i can achieve your standards, before posting my pics at all! Oh btw i ordered 2 sets of Zimmerit from Cavaliar , 1 for my Panther n 1 for my Tiger1. Pretty good stuff considering the price i paid for them! Atak is so much more expensive and seeing that i am a newbie, i thought better dont waste $ jus yet!! Have you tried Zimm?
blackeast19
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Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 07:40 PM UTC
Hi guys,
nice to meet you all. I have been out of modeling for a couple of months, due to school and golfing lessons. Planned to resume after the exams and complete my half done M2.
See ya around.
Cheers!
nice to meet you all. I have been out of modeling for a couple of months, due to school and golfing lessons. Planned to resume after the exams and complete my half done M2.
See ya around.
Cheers!
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Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 01:27 AM UTC
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Nice Me262 i love the camo. U by any chance taking part in the Aircraft competition this December held at the Paya Lebar Airforce Museum?
madcat911
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Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 02:49 AM UTC
Whoa! I haven't been here in ages. Guess there IS life on the SG forum.
RC sounds fun but I think I'll stick to static models for the moment.
RC costs a bomb and after watching videos of crashing RC planes, I don't think I can stomach such an expensive hobby.
Sorry if I sound cheap.
Ok, back to my doughnuts.
RC sounds fun but I think I'll stick to static models for the moment.
RC costs a bomb and after watching videos of crashing RC planes, I don't think I can stomach such an expensive hobby.
Sorry if I sound cheap.
Ok, back to my doughnuts.
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Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 02:07 PM UTC
Hey Jack,
So you've started at M's? What days to you do the class and around what time?
Primer?? Cool! Do share the pix when you get them done! Don't worry man, after a few lessons of M's, your's will be on par or better than mine! Remember, Bernard's lessons are light years ahead also - so you'll be taken for a cool ride - provided you absorb all you can of course. Just don't let him bully you like he did to some... Kidding! Hahaha!
As for zimmerit, sorry it's only Tamiya polyester (the expensive green tooth paste) putty and PE scrapper for me man. I'm one who wants chipp'n and battle worn zimmerit done the old fashioned way. The lot of many would go for Dragon's fully zimmerit AFVs, that I can understand. But I'll be only viewing those at a distance. If I want factory finish zimmerit I might as well buy those completed models (fully painted, marked and factory finish weathering). But there's a reason why I chose to build unpainted kits, because I want a huge piece of my effort and signature stamped all over my model... However having said that, Cavaliers and Atak zimmerits aren't that bad. You can still do chipping and battle damage, and with careful application - you'll get away with a realistic look of the real thing. Like I've said - with CAREFUL application - hide away the seams, and putty when you need to, etc... However, they are not cheap... better learn the traditional way and you'll save bucks!
So you've started at M's? What days to you do the class and around what time?
Primer?? Cool! Do share the pix when you get them done! Don't worry man, after a few lessons of M's, your's will be on par or better than mine! Remember, Bernard's lessons are light years ahead also - so you'll be taken for a cool ride - provided you absorb all you can of course. Just don't let him bully you like he did to some...
Kidding! Hahaha! As for zimmerit, sorry it's only Tamiya polyester (the expensive green tooth paste) putty and PE scrapper for me man. I'm one who wants chipp'n and battle worn zimmerit done the old fashioned way. The lot of many would go for Dragon's fully zimmerit AFVs, that I can understand. But I'll be only viewing those at a distance. If I want factory finish zimmerit I might as well buy those completed models (fully painted, marked and factory finish weathering). But there's a reason why I chose to build unpainted kits, because I want a huge piece of my effort and signature stamped all over my model... However having said that, Cavaliers and Atak zimmerits aren't that bad. You can still do chipping and battle damage, and with careful application - you'll get away with a realistic look of the real thing. Like I've said - with CAREFUL application - hide away the seams, and putty when you need to, etc... However, they are not cheap... better learn the traditional way and you'll save bucks!
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Howdy! Sorry was away in BKK and got back not long ago.... My Stug A is at primer stage then i went to M's modelling class n picked up a Tamiya Stug for practice!! Plus the Georg Bose Stug kit which jus arrived at Bernard's shop as well....haiz...my build schedule is so backdated now that i have so many kits in backlog! Didnt even get a chance to pick up teh Vorpanzer dude!! Instead i got the Panther A Premium kit off ebay from HK and will receive that next mth when my mum carries it home for me kekekeekk!
Your Panzer 111 is awesome, am afraid i am still light years away from your building standards! Lets hope after Bernard's lessons i can achieve your standards, before posting my pics at all! Oh btw i ordered 2 sets of Zimmerit from Cavaliar , 1 for my Panther n 1 for my Tiger1. Pretty good stuff considering the price i paid for them! Atak is so much more expensive and seeing that i am a newbie, i thought better dont waste $ jus yet!! Have you tried Zimm?
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Hey Dan and Danial, Hmmm...two Dans replying at the same time - how quaint!
Care to let us know what two you have been up to lately?
Danial, thanks for your kind comments. I heard of the year end contest (organised by Hobby Bounty), when is it again? I dont' know if it's too close to the time I'll be leaving for a long family vacation...
I have a few "stand-by" to-be-completed models that I've been meaning to finish for the contest, but just not sure I'll get the time...
Care to let us know what two you have been up to lately?
Danial, thanks for your kind comments. I heard of the year end contest (organised by Hobby Bounty), when is it again? I dont' know if it's too close to the time I'll be leaving for a long family vacation...
I have a few "stand-by" to-be-completed models that I've been meaning to finish for the contest, but just not sure I'll get the time...
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Hi Mark,
I can fully understand your point. No you're not cheap - it's the economies of scale that's bothering us - the price of one RC bird can arm us with a "squadron" of airplane kits, an armada of ships, or even two platoon of AFVs! Plus, they stay pristine for a long period of time! hehe
But the reason I get all hyped up with the RC birds is because of the realism of FSK (Flying Styro Kit) RC offerings (never seen those until now!). I wasn't never interested in RC birds mainly because they look "unreal" most of the time, until FSK kits recently.
Erisemen, thanks for your advice really, I know you're right about GWS offerings and in your mind you must be thinking: "Go ahead and splurge on the FSKs all you want, just don't come crying to me when it comes crashing down on the first flight..." And you know you are right all along. I've just did a search on internet last night and read comments about Alfa VS FSK kits, and judging from the comments, most FSKs birds are very hard to fly - something that the novices like me will not be able to handle. That's just me, really. To tell you a story, I once was attracted to a balsa model of a Hurricane (powered by Rubberbands). http://www.rchobbies.org/guillow_500.htm I was so convinced that since the real bird flies, the wooden one would fly just as gracefully. So, I bought and started building it immediately. Applied the "skins" onto the wooden frames laboriously and painstakingly. Finally, painted it in the favourite tones I like... Then the day of reckoning came, one fine day I took it out for a test flight. I powered up the rubberband until it was fully twisted and bursting with raw power. Holding it against the gentle draft, I carefully let it go... The rest of the story you guys already know. It barely left a few inches from me and that was it!
So Erizemen, I still haven't learnt my lesson...
I can fully understand your point. No you're not cheap - it's the economies of scale that's bothering us - the price of one RC bird can arm us with a "squadron" of airplane kits, an armada of ships, or even two platoon of AFVs! Plus, they stay pristine for a long period of time! hehe
But the reason I get all hyped up with the RC birds is because of the realism of FSK (Flying Styro Kit) RC offerings (never seen those until now!). I wasn't never interested in RC birds mainly because they look "unreal" most of the time, until FSK kits recently.
Erisemen, thanks for your advice really, I know you're right about GWS offerings and in your mind you must be thinking: "Go ahead and splurge on the FSKs all you want, just don't come crying to me when it comes crashing down on the first flight..." And you know you are right all along. I've just did a search on internet last night and read comments about Alfa VS FSK kits, and judging from the comments, most FSKs birds are very hard to fly - something that the novices like me will not be able to handle. That's just me, really. To tell you a story, I once was attracted to a balsa model of a Hurricane (powered by Rubberbands). http://www.rchobbies.org/guillow_500.htm I was so convinced that since the real bird flies, the wooden one would fly just as gracefully. So, I bought and started building it immediately. Applied the "skins" onto the wooden frames laboriously and painstakingly. Finally, painted it in the favourite tones I like... Then the day of reckoning came, one fine day I took it out for a test flight. I powered up the rubberband until it was fully twisted and bursting with raw power. Holding it against the gentle draft, I carefully let it go... The rest of the story you guys already know. It barely left a few inches from me and that was it!
So Erizemen, I still haven't learnt my lesson... Quoted Text
Whoa! I haven't been here in ages. Guess there IS life on the SG forum.
RC sounds fun but I think I'll stick to static models for the moment.
RC costs a bomb and after watching videos of crashing RC planes, I don't think I can stomach such an expensive hobby.
Sorry if I sound cheap.
Ok, back to my doughnuts.
eerie
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 - 12:37 AM UTC
Dude,
RC modelling is not like a balsa kit powered on rubber bands. If you dont make the grade to fly, you are endangering not only yourself but others who are flying near you or even bystanders who are watching.
2 stroke and 4 stroke are actually the engine compression system. The Piston etc...the models are using small engines for aircrafts, engine start as small as 25 size up to 120 size. Warbirds also comes in different scales and engine sizes. For everyone who wanted to start flying firstly they need to start on a trainer, not because its affordable but because its the most sane thing to do. You might not learn ur lesson but believe me, when you take you fully scale warbird up in the air and have no idea how to fly it, trust me, you gonna do what every newbie do, on a dive, you cut throttle and try to pull up by then you have loose ur orientation and next you know its on the ground. If you crash and loose a plane, its ok but if you hit anything or hit someone..man you are so in
A good warbird to start with would be something like a GWS Corsair with Brush motors and small capacity Lipo batts. Small nimble and you can still make it scale, its up to ur imagination. I once saw a guy at a field who had a full cockpit in his corsair and BF-109. My texan and P-40 both have pilots in them. I also have a spare Luftwaffe pilot in hand and 2 more with Danial for painting. I do hope to fly a BF-109 or a ME 190 in the future, but i have no time nor space for them.
You also need a good instructor or a trainer with you, in case you loose ur plane the ll be someone to bail you out...provided you have altitude..cos altitude is your best friend.
So at the end of the day, you can buy the best radio, the best electronics or engine, even the most scale of warbirds. Its the pilot that determine the safety and the suvivability of your plane. If you are keen to start, do not hesitate to contact me. I always try to spread the hobby.
RC modelling is not like a balsa kit powered on rubber bands. If you dont make the grade to fly, you are endangering not only yourself but others who are flying near you or even bystanders who are watching.
2 stroke and 4 stroke are actually the engine compression system. The Piston etc...the models are using small engines for aircrafts, engine start as small as 25 size up to 120 size. Warbirds also comes in different scales and engine sizes. For everyone who wanted to start flying firstly they need to start on a trainer, not because its affordable but because its the most sane thing to do. You might not learn ur lesson but believe me, when you take you fully scale warbird up in the air and have no idea how to fly it, trust me, you gonna do what every newbie do, on a dive, you cut throttle and try to pull up by then you have loose ur orientation and next you know its on the ground. If you crash and loose a plane, its ok but if you hit anything or hit someone..man you are so in
A good warbird to start with would be something like a GWS Corsair with Brush motors and small capacity Lipo batts. Small nimble and you can still make it scale, its up to ur imagination. I once saw a guy at a field who had a full cockpit in his corsair and BF-109. My texan and P-40 both have pilots in them. I also have a spare Luftwaffe pilot in hand and 2 more with Danial for painting. I do hope to fly a BF-109 or a ME 190 in the future, but i have no time nor space for them.
You also need a good instructor or a trainer with you, in case you loose ur plane the ll be someone to bail you out...provided you have altitude..cos altitude is your best friend.
So at the end of the day, you can buy the best radio, the best electronics or engine, even the most scale of warbirds. Its the pilot that determine the safety and the suvivability of your plane. If you are keen to start, do not hesitate to contact me. I always try to spread the hobby.
Totenkorp
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 - 03:07 AM UTC
Yup i will probably experiment with self made zimmerit at a later stage just to get the hang of it!! You are right about the signature part of modelling though, it makes us feel like artists thats been in the closet for too long!!! Cheers
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 - 04:36 AM UTC
Yo Erizemen,
Thanks for the tip, you're so right. Many a times we tend to forget that we won't be in it by ourselves. So, watching out for the safety of bystanders is definitely a must... Otherwise, it won't just be a S$500 bill we're talking about. It's not just RC birds, but cars and ships as well. There will always be kids running around (and parents who thinks it's safe) unaware of the danger they are in. Even if you find somewhere secluded to fly one , you'll always find one or two attracted by the interesting thing doing loops in the air coming closer to have a better look.
Btw, the rubberband powered one is just an analogy of my "problem" with being totally fascinated by scale correctness. Of course, the balsa model should never ever be compared with the serious RC ones, as the latter are not to be mistaken as "toys". One very wrong move and you'll end up with stitches and probably a blood transfusion as well - I'm sure there are other horror stories worse than this. I've heard a serious RC chopper flyer's incidences so I'm well aware of the "pits" and dangers of serious RC models.
So do you go to marina south to fly your birds or somewhere else where it's more peaceful and quiet? Or maybe it is best kept a secret?
Thanks for the tip, you're so right. Many a times we tend to forget that we won't be in it by ourselves. So, watching out for the safety of bystanders is definitely a must... Otherwise, it won't just be a S$500 bill we're talking about. It's not just RC birds, but cars and ships as well. There will always be kids running around (and parents who thinks it's safe) unaware of the danger they are in. Even if you find somewhere secluded to fly one , you'll always find one or two attracted by the interesting thing doing loops in the air coming closer to have a better look.
Btw, the rubberband powered one is just an analogy of my "problem" with being totally fascinated by scale correctness. Of course, the balsa model should never ever be compared with the serious RC ones, as the latter are not to be mistaken as "toys". One very wrong move and you'll end up with stitches and probably a blood transfusion as well - I'm sure there are other horror stories worse than this. I've heard a serious RC chopper flyer's incidences so I'm well aware of the "pits" and dangers of serious RC models.
So do you go to marina south to fly your birds or somewhere else where it's more peaceful and quiet? Or maybe it is best kept a secret?
eerie
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 - 12:41 PM UTC
Firstly Marina South is no longer open bro, its been close for a long time. Due to IR, dam constructions etc. RC planes might be a bit forgiving, but RC helicopters, man its going to hurt or even kill. A small electric heli like my T-rex 450 SE have a rotor rotation of 3000rpm, my Raptor 50 Titan a nitro heli is somewhere along 1800rpm.
Fields are scarce in Singapore and stomp monger are always on alert to cause problems. Ponggol Field walk is a good aircraft place, Old Holland Rd, Tampines Bicycle park, Bukit Batok FLying Club, Woodlands Champion Way the list are unlimited. But all these places have movement from non flyers, so safety is always a pilot top priority.
I ve experience flying under my block, a small patch just for me to hover. You were right about parents and their kids, they just let them run towards it. When i pack up and left i heard the parent commented, me as unfriendly and proud..Since then, i rather walk to a field further away, to hover my small helicopter.
Fields are scarce in Singapore and stomp monger are always on alert to cause problems. Ponggol Field walk is a good aircraft place, Old Holland Rd, Tampines Bicycle park, Bukit Batok FLying Club, Woodlands Champion Way the list are unlimited. But all these places have movement from non flyers, so safety is always a pilot top priority.
I ve experience flying under my block, a small patch just for me to hover. You were right about parents and their kids, they just let them run towards it. When i pack up and left i heard the parent commented, me as unfriendly and proud..Since then, i rather walk to a field further away, to hover my small helicopter.
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 - 04:14 PM UTC
Hi Jack,
We must always enforce that thinking (being 3D artists and all) because to the rest of the population, we're just playing with "toys". It won't be easy, but somehow - and hopefully one day - we'll earn the recognition we deserved - as artists, locally that is. The problem is, some brands are marketed as "toys" in the major departmental stores - thus, the kits are always mistaken as toys, and us - the "toy collectors". Something that the lot of us would hate hearing. Compounded by the fact that the public thinks we're no different from the number who builds Gundams (no offense to some of you who builds them - I do too, albeit only a few), but there IS a major difference. And that is, the heavy historical background behind each subject, and the madness to get each model accurately depicted and scaled. Gundam artists (noticed that I used "artists") share a number of similarities with us true-scale modellers/artists except that there is not need to back it up with REAL historical references and there's more room for artistic license to express creativity. The problem is Gundam springs from Anime and the "uneducated" public associates both together as "TV cartoon" and "toys", much to the dislike and dismay of Gundam modellers/artists I'll bet. And "us" dragged into "being no different from them".... So, we must make our statements clear to the public when we do get the chance! I better get off the soap box...
And yeah, learn what you can from the masters - but don't learn blindly, do back each skill up with clear reasoning and experiment on your own when you can to create your own style - not easy I'm afraid. I'm not a master and I'm still learning on my own. The day you have distinguished yourself from the rest is the day you truly own a signature of your own. At the moment, we are just "borrowing" other masters' signatures...
We must always enforce that thinking (being 3D artists and all) because to the rest of the population, we're just playing with "toys". It won't be easy, but somehow - and hopefully one day - we'll earn the recognition we deserved - as artists, locally that is. The problem is, some brands are marketed as "toys" in the major departmental stores - thus, the kits are always mistaken as toys, and us - the "toy collectors". Something that the lot of us would hate hearing. Compounded by the fact that the public thinks we're no different from the number who builds Gundams (no offense to some of you who builds them - I do too, albeit only a few), but there IS a major difference. And that is, the heavy historical background behind each subject, and the madness to get each model accurately depicted and scaled. Gundam artists (noticed that I used "artists") share a number of similarities with us true-scale modellers/artists except that there is not need to back it up with REAL historical references and there's more room for artistic license to express creativity. The problem is Gundam springs from Anime and the "uneducated" public associates both together as "TV cartoon" and "toys", much to the dislike and dismay of Gundam modellers/artists I'll bet. And "us" dragged into "being no different from them"....
So, we must make our statements clear to the public when we do get the chance! I better get off the soap box...And yeah, learn what you can from the masters - but don't learn blindly, do back each skill up with clear reasoning and experiment on your own when you can to create your own style - not easy I'm afraid. I'm not a master and I'm still learning on my own. The day you have distinguished yourself from the rest is the day you truly own a signature of your own. At the moment, we are just "borrowing" other masters' signatures...
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Yup i will probably experiment with self made zimmerit at a later stage just to get the hang of it!! You are right about the signature part of modelling though, it makes us feel like artists thats been in the closet for too long!!! Cheers
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 - 04:33 PM UTC
Oh yeah, it's been a while since the last trip to Marina South for me. Thanks for the list of places, so it seems that it's okay to run your RCs in any wide open space just as long as you don't endanger anyone? I have a huge open park right in front of my flat, but I'm going to assume that the moment I put the bird in the air, kids and toddlers will be attracted to it like bears n bees to honey! So, bummer and I empathise with you - there will always be such blatant comments from the parents, goes to show how much they know about RCs. Tried explaining to them? Save your breath and move on bro, there will be many more parents like these... Until there is a dedicated space for RCers and gov feels that it's time for the public to be "educated" on the seriousness and dangers, you'll just have to "suffer" for the time being... Tell you what, why not make a sign that reads "If you value your life or body parts, please stay clear - this isn't a toy! It's a lawn mower that flies!" and stick it to the ground near you. Write it in 4 different languages for a safer measure! You only have to do it once... 
About your helis, there's a reason why some of us call them "choppers", even in real life... And with good reasons too!
About your helis, there's a reason why some of us call them "choppers", even in real life... And with good reasons too!
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Firstly Marina South is no longer open bro, its been close for a long time. Due to IR, dam constructions etc. RC planes might be a bit forgiving, but RC helicopters, man its going to hurt or even kill. A small electric heli like my T-rex 450 SE have a rotor rotation of 3000rpm, my Raptor 50 Titan a nitro heli is somewhere along 1800rpm.
Fields are scarce in Singapore and stomp monger are always on alert to cause problems. Ponggol Field walk is a good aircraft place, Old Holland Rd, Tampines Bicycle park, Bukit Batok FLying Club, Woodlands Champion Way the list are unlimited. But all these places have movement from non flyers, so safety is always a pilot top priority.
I ve experience flying under my block, a small patch just for me to hover. You were right about parents and their kids, they just let them run towards it. When i pack up and left i heard the parent commented, me as unfriendly and proud..Since then, i rather walk to a field further away, to hover my small helicopter.
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madcat911
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Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 04:15 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Sorry to interrupt your RC discussion but isn't this ARMORama or AeroSCALE forums? Shouldn't we be discussing modeling techniques and static models in general rather than RC planes and helicopters?
I know that all of us have differing interests and passions but I think we should stick to the general premise that this is a forum for armour and aircraft modeling enthusiasts. People come here to see what armour and aircraft modeling have to offer and not RC-ing. I believe that there are dedicated Singaporean forums for RC cars/planes/helicopters/boats/tanks.
I think this forum should be one where its members come and share thier tips, experiences and works. This allows newer members or those who are thinking of taking scale modeling up as a hobby to see what it takes to become an accomplished modeler.
What do you all think?
Sorry to interrupt your RC discussion but isn't this ARMORama or AeroSCALE forums? Shouldn't we be discussing modeling techniques and static models in general rather than RC planes and helicopters?
I know that all of us have differing interests and passions but I think we should stick to the general premise that this is a forum for armour and aircraft modeling enthusiasts. People come here to see what armour and aircraft modeling have to offer and not RC-ing. I believe that there are dedicated Singaporean forums for RC cars/planes/helicopters/boats/tanks.
I think this forum should be one where its members come and share thier tips, experiences and works. This allows newer members or those who are thinking of taking scale modeling up as a hobby to see what it takes to become an accomplished modeler.
What do you all think?
kriegsketten
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Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 09:13 AM UTC
Hey you're right! Amen there! However, instead of putting out the fire completely, how about sharing some firewood from you too (armor related topic of course) so that this DG continues to stay alive? I agree that there are times that discussions may deviate from the main train of thoughts, almost every forum suffers from the same issues. But instead of creativing a negative feeling why not insert some positivity into it as well? I know the "deviant" postings are unintentional, I for one do not know of any Sg RC forum around, thus one thing leads to another.. So please be forgiving.
So care to share what's on your desktop this past month?
I'm going to move on plus I have something to add on. Has anyone here considered publishing a modelling related book / magazine so far? I mean we do have a number of books/magazines coming from several asian countries (Taiwan, China, Thailand, etc). What's keeping us from doing one of our own? Lack of talents? I really doubt so as I'm sure we have plenty. And I doubt it's the language either. Is it time, commitment? Or is there just too much rivalry between "groups" and individuals that we can't agree in a coorporation?
I for one think that we do have very good talents, some are just hidding in the closet while a few we already know are hard-at-work on ebay. Heck, we even have a world known figure painter whose works are featured in magazines, and even a book in his name! (You know who you are but if you're reading this don't get your head swelled up too much okay? ) Plus I know recently another fellow published his works (about the AMX research work, keep it up man).
So, what's holding up our own literary works (published locally of course)?
Btw, do you know that our tiny island is considered one of the world's printing hub? I'm pretty sure that a number of aircraft / afv related books have been printed here.
So care to share what's on your desktop this past month?
I'm going to move on plus I have something to add on. Has anyone here considered publishing a modelling related book / magazine so far? I mean we do have a number of books/magazines coming from several asian countries (Taiwan, China, Thailand, etc). What's keeping us from doing one of our own? Lack of talents? I really doubt so as I'm sure we have plenty. And I doubt it's the language either. Is it time, commitment? Or is there just too much rivalry between "groups" and individuals that we can't agree in a coorporation?
I for one think that we do have very good talents, some are just hidding in the closet while a few we already know are hard-at-work on ebay. Heck, we even have a world known figure painter whose works are featured in magazines, and even a book in his name! (You know who you are but if you're reading this don't get your head swelled up too much okay?
) Plus I know recently another fellow published his works (about the AMX research work, keep it up man).So, what's holding up our own literary works (published locally of course)?
Btw, do you know that our tiny island is considered one of the world's printing hub? I'm pretty sure that a number of aircraft / afv related books have been printed here.
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Hi guys,
Sorry to interrupt your RC discussion but isn't this ARMORama or AeroSCALE forums? Shouldn't we be discussing modeling techniques and static models in general rather than RC planes and helicopters?
I know that all of us have differing interests and passions but I think we should stick to the general premise that this is a forum for armour and aircraft modeling enthusiasts. People come here to see what armour and aircraft modeling have to offer and not RC-ing. I believe that there are dedicated Singaporean forums for RC cars/planes/helicopters/boats/tanks.
I think this forum should be one where its members come and share thier tips, experiences and works. This allows newer members or those who are thinking of taking scale modeling up as a hobby to see what it takes to become an accomplished modeler.
What do you all think?
eerie
Member Since: September 26, 2004
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Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 05:25 PM UTC
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Hi guys,
Sorry to interrupt your RC discussion but isn't this ARMORama or AeroSCALE forums? Shouldn't we be discussing modeling techniques and static models in general rather than RC planes and helicopters?
I know that all of us have differing interests and passions but I think we should stick to the general premise that this is a forum for armour and aircraft modeling enthusiasts. People come here to see what armour and aircraft modeling have to offer and not RC-ing. I believe that there are dedicated Singaporean forums for RC cars/planes/helicopters/boats/tanks.
I think this forum should be one where its members come and share thier tips, experiences and works. This allows newer members or those who are thinking of taking scale modeling up as a hobby to see what it takes to become an accomplished modeler.
What do you all think?
Just to enlighthen newbies in this forum, the RC aircrafts topics can be found here at aeroscale.
https://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/forums/96423&page=1
A local RC forum can be found here, http://www.rc-ms.com and http://www.daddyhobby.com
For a start, i taken the topic a level higher just to answer question pose by a fellow modeller here. Cos with such painting skills, it would be wonderful to put them into flying scale models. Not many RC modellers have such painting skills, I also would like to let others know that RC can be affordable..well maybe not doughnut cheap but affordable for those who can stomach squash foam / balsa.
Other than that, i would say this forum was active before, we even had our own "forum police" but now i would say its almost dead. Modelling is a great hobby, but i ll always be happy to spread RC modelling to others.
Totenkorp
Member Since: September 09, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 07:39 PM UTC
Hi Mark in principle you are absolutely correct whith regards to the topics to be discussed in this Forum, no offence to RC fans at all. But looking at how 'alive' this Forum is until this thread began to take off, honestly getting an response on this Forum is better than getting none at al!! Besides , its good to know there are some people who still check in on this remote site after all!! So for me i am glad a few have engaged in chat, abeit it be RC or modelling, which in my opinion just goes towards fostering friendship amongst the dwindling members here! Just my 2 cts worth!
kriegsketten
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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 04:28 AM UTC
Agreed with Jack's comment. (Thanks for the links, Erizemen, that really helps!)
Damn the Dalmations, how do we shake this negative energy off and move on with a clean slate folks?
Oh heck, here goes trying:
Hey folks, if you're planning to switch paints (like to lacquer based), don't throw away all your Tamiya Acryllics just yet. It's simply a waste of $$ doing that - by mixing with Gunze lacquer thinner, Tamiya Acryllics can be "converted" into a lacquer base type just like that.
Proof of usage:
http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~kriegsketten/Lawrence6.htm
http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~kriegsketten/Lawrence7.htm
Btw, photos are from Bernard, Jack.
Damn the Dalmations, how do we shake this negative energy off and move on with a clean slate folks?
Oh heck, here goes trying:
Hey folks, if you're planning to switch paints (like to lacquer based), don't throw away all your Tamiya Acryllics just yet. It's simply a waste of $$ doing that - by mixing with Gunze lacquer thinner, Tamiya Acryllics can be "converted" into a lacquer base type just like that.
Proof of usage:
http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~kriegsketten/Lawrence6.htm
http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~kriegsketten/Lawrence7.htm
Btw, photos are from Bernard, Jack.
eerie
Member Since: September 26, 2004
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2007 - 05:12 AM UTC
Anything you want to share madcat? You seem very quiet, come share what you have.
Totenkorp
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2007 - 04:44 PM UTC
Dont think Madcat comes in here that often bro!!
Danial
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 02:42 AM UTC
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Anything you want to share madcat? You seem very quiet, come share what you have.
hmm, i've been following this thread.
well eerie, u seem a little...u know...fired up?
cmon, u trying to scare newcomers away? thats not very nice of you. loosen up.
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