Posted this in the other football thread too but you guys need to lighten up or this thread is going to get locked.
Thanks,
Shaun
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Posted: Monday, July 10, 2006 - 04:23 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, July 10, 2006 - 06:54 PM UTC
Understood chief Shaun.
I was just a bit disappointed by the event, not the fact we loose, that's the game, but by the fact Materazzi doesn't play fair.
Anyway, it's just football, but please don't call ZZ ....
Thanks,
Julien
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I was just a bit disappointed by the event, not the fact we loose, that's the game, but by the fact Materazzi doesn't play fair.
Anyway, it's just football, but please don't call ZZ ....
Thanks,
Julien
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Posted: Monday, July 10, 2006 - 10:49 PM UTC
Well as in most sports it's always the one who retaliates who's probably going to get the penalty. At the professional level one should be able to maintain self control and let such distractions roll off. There is no excuse for lighting off on another player because he tugged your shirt a few times or called you a few names. True the instigator probably got away with something but it’s the target that must remain focused and disciplined.
Unfortunately we are seeing too much of that in professional sports where players retaliate not just against other players but fans that constantly harass them in the game.
Unfortunately we are seeing too much of that in professional sports where players retaliate not just against other players but fans that constantly harass them in the game.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 12:20 AM UTC
Ok in theory I agree every pro must self control.
But in practice, Materrazzi is a real "bad" person.
The most important, I read in the press today, is that 6 frenchs over 10 forgave him for his headbut, because he is so great anyway.
Best,
Julien
But in practice, Materrazzi is a real "bad" person.
The most important, I read in the press today, is that 6 frenchs over 10 forgave him for his headbut, because he is so great anyway.
Best,
Julien
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 01:24 AM UTC
I don't know if you follow US basketball or hockey but there are "goons" whose job is simply to chase the other team's star, give an extra shove or bump to throw the opponent off their game. Every team has it's "bad" guy to grind down opponents. It's part of the game.
And just like the French, every home team loves their goon and every team loves their star who retaliates.
As I state before it always seems to be the one that retaliats that gets caught. Of course that doesn't mean that the instigator wasn't displaying good sportsmanship
And just like the French, every home team loves their goon and every team loves their star who retaliates.
As I state before it always seems to be the one that retaliats that gets caught. Of course that doesn't mean that the instigator wasn't displaying good sportsmanship
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 03:20 AM UTC
It's not the first time ZZ has butted someone - nor is mazzo adverse to bookings/sendings off - one year in the premiership got him 15 yellows and 3 reds - yet both countries seem to hold these men up as hero's. What kind of example are they setting the youth who think of them as some kind of Gods anyway. I'm not just being zenophobic, anyone who gets paid an obscene amount of money and is worshiped needs self control. I am horrified the way the 'beautiful game' has become a game where cheating is common place and people are happy to 'WIN' a penalty, to the point that people do not tackle in the penalty area any more....
And don't get me started on that
Rooney
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 04:41 AM UTC
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Every team has it's "bad" guy to grind down opponents. It's part of the game.
i think it gets worst in soccer, especialy these typa games. Everyone is so pumped up with nationalism( some more than other) their willing to gamble it all for victory and the pride that comes with it.
Soccer, being a "game" of its own is to me more subject to this behavior due to the LARGE soccer field. Refs are on the watch for the ball and dont necesarly see it all.
btw, seems fifa needs to make new rules for Materazzi accidental wondering feet.
O well, what a commedy. Maybe britney spears is next up for a rank in hte italien teem.
Frank
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 04:45 AM UTC
Alan, you're right about goose and retaliater. Just sad for the sport I believe..
Andy : I agree with you regarding young footballers for which ZZ is an example. The Monday following final, many football teachers in nearly every young teams spent 30 minutes to explain ZZ action and blame it.
Where I don't agree is for the goose Materazzi : many Italians don't like him beacuse in the calccio..he plays really hard, not the ball but the players, Italian ones this time..
Regarding the tackkle question, just to mention Turrham did an excellent world cup in defense, saving France from many goals and just taking one yellow card and no penalty. I love this guy, he's smart and with a great heart.
More generally, I agree with you Andy, it's only cheating strategy, trying to obtain penalty rather than taking risks. We are far from the 3-0 in 1998 against Brazil. Maybe old people don't like taking risks...
Best,
Julien
Andy : I agree with you regarding young footballers for which ZZ is an example. The Monday following final, many football teachers in nearly every young teams spent 30 minutes to explain ZZ action and blame it.
Where I don't agree is for the goose Materazzi : many Italians don't like him beacuse in the calccio..he plays really hard, not the ball but the players, Italian ones this time..
Regarding the tackkle question, just to mention Turrham did an excellent world cup in defense, saving France from many goals and just taking one yellow card and no penalty. I love this guy, he's smart and with a great heart.
More generally, I agree with you Andy, it's only cheating strategy, trying to obtain penalty rather than taking risks. We are far from the 3-0 in 1998 against Brazil. Maybe old people don't like taking risks...
Best,
Julien
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 06:19 AM UTC
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First, you don't call him Zidickhead, Ok ?
Second, for your instruction, just watch this video on Materrazi. Do you think he is professional ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKGcUr0S-FU
J
A. I'll call him what i like!
Have you ever played any Sport because this is what happens week in week out. If thats all that was said to him then maybe it is time to hang it up because he would cop more than that week in week out, Remember he has played in the Italian, French and Spanish Leagues, which are among the most racist Leagues in the world, the fans call crap out at the players the whole game You also cann't blame the players for games that get out of control, the ref has to maintain control. Football is a team game that is your actions can effect the out come of your team, and he just cost his team and team mates a world cup!
I think Materrazi is one of the best defenders in the world, He's strong in the air, and get's forward really well, the french could learn a lot from studing his world cup. In every game he was one of the best for Italy.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 12:29 PM UTC
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i think it gets worst in soccer
Not too sure about that. There's some really bad sledging in cricket. Here's a censored sample, with the names left out by me.
Sri Lankan wicket keeper to black South African batsman (picked up by the wicket mike: "Hey, x, so why won't your white pals let you eat with them, mate? Hey,x, why not? Aren't you good enough for them? Do they just call you n$!#*!# to your face or behind your back?" This went on throughout this batsman's spell, whenever the bowler was running in, for an hour at least, until he got out.
Tubby Australian spinner to tubbier English batsman: "Put on a bit of weight lately, haven't you?"
English batsman: "Yeah, it's your wife's fault. Every time I f#*! her she gives me a biscuit."
Zidane had an irresponsible moment of madness, I guess. Irresponsible as captain and veteran, and because it probably cost France the match. But Italy was constantly baiting the French, and German commentators were lip-reading a lot of it. There's very little criticism of Zidane here in Germany. Most comments from experts (like Beckenbauer) are of the 'Materazzi deserved it' flavour.
I think if you're gonna headbutt, do it the rugby way, take him out. ZZ should have gone for the nose and taken Materazzi out of the game as well. ZZ's a great player, and deserved the award. At least you didn't see him diving and crying like the Italians.
Zacman, surely you can think of better reasons why Australia lost to the world champs other than the ref was bent. Like Australia wasn't good enough?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 01:13 PM UTC
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Quoted Texti think it gets worst in soccer
Not too sure about that. There's some really bad sledging in cricket. Here's a censored sample, with the names left out by me.
Sri Lankan wicket keeper to black South African batsman (picked up by the wicket mike: "Hey, x, so why won't your white pals let you eat with them, mate? Hey,x, why not? Aren't you good enough for them? Do they just call you n$!#*!# to your face or behind your back?" This went on throughout this batsman's spell, whenever the bowler was running in, for an hour at least, until he got out.
Tubby Australian spinner to tubbier English batsman: "Put on a bit of weight lately, haven't you?"
English batsman: "Yeah, it's your wife's fault. Every time I f#*! her she gives me a biscuit."
Zidane had an irresponsible moment of madness, I guess. Irresponsible as captain and veteran, and because it probably cost France the match. But Italy was constantly baiting the French, and German commentators were lip-reading a lot of it. There's very little criticism of Zidane here in Germany. Most comments from experts (like Beckenbauer) are of the 'Materazzi deserved it' flavour.
I think if you're gonna headbutt, do it the rugby way, take him out. ZZ should have gone for the nose and taken Materazzi out of the game as well. ZZ's a great player, and deserved the award. At least you didn't see him diving and crying like the Italians.
Zacman, surely you can think of better reasons why Australia lost to the world champs other than the ref was bent. Like Australia wasn't good enough?
I believe Italy played better than Australia, in that match the one touch passing in that game was the best Italy played, even better than they played against German, and if the game had gone to a shoot out well we just saw Italy have over come that problem. If you watched all the games and i'am sure you would have being in Germany, there was a lot of ? calls, i heard the one about the house for the ref from some friend, make what you will, i'am sure it not past the Italians to at least try and offer a bride.
He's played in the Italy for many years and would have had that happen week in week out only by other clubs fans.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 02:19 PM UTC
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i'm sure it not past the Italians to at least try and offer a bride.
That's one way of going about it I suppose... :-)
And Dave, Australia weren't good enough to get past the well marshalled Italian defence, but without the bad penalty call, it would have gone straight into 30 min. extra time, and they were pratically dead on their feet at 90+stoppage... Only a question of time in hindsight....
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 03:20 PM UTC
Funnily, all the stories about refs being bribed (and particularly the house accusation) I keep hearing from Aussies. Why is that? Come on, if it's crooked, don't play. Don't whine now that you've lost.
Going into extra time is neither here nor there as far as Australia winning is concerned. Italy showed they had what it takes in the fitness department against Germany (one of the fittest team -- if not THE fittest -- in the tournament), in spite of all the bad acting. Australia played well and went down to the world champs. Be proud about that. Don't demean that achievement by accusing the refs, coz bad refs cut both ways, and Oz had their share of the lottery.
Going into extra time is neither here nor there as far as Australia winning is concerned. Italy showed they had what it takes in the fitness department against Germany (one of the fittest team -- if not THE fittest -- in the tournament), in spite of all the bad acting. Australia played well and went down to the world champs. Be proud about that. Don't demean that achievement by accusing the refs, coz bad refs cut both ways, and Oz had their share of the lottery.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 03:49 PM UTC
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Funnily, all the stories about refs being bribed (and particularly the house accusation) I keep hearing from Aussies. Why is that? Come on, if it's crooked, don't play. Don't whine now that you've lost.
Going into extra time is neither here nor there as far as Australia winning is concerned. Italy showed they had what it takes in the fitness department against Germany (one of the fittest team -- if not THE fittest -- in the tournament), in spite of all the bad acting. Australia played well and went down to the world champs. Be proud about that. Don't demean that achievement by accusing the refs, coz bad refs cut both ways, and Oz had their share of the lottery.
Bit of generalising here wouldn't you say Dave?
Nothing but pride for my national team here. Think you are reading a leeeeeedle too much into this...
And if it's crooked, I say fix it...
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 04:53 PM UTC
I agree with Dave concerning the extra time and the Italian shape.
Against France they were literrally dead on their feet, but we didn't scored, even we had the ball possession.
Be proud Australia did nice matchs during this world cup, because like the US, you're not a soccer country, just recently converted (hey you already have good rugby players, it's enough ! :-) )
I agree also for the "lottery referee" : concerning France, against south Corea, one shot crossed the goal ground line, but was refused, and we had the penalty by ZZ in final which is not really justified. For ZZ red card, it's now sure, referee used the 4th referee to see the action on video, which is totally forbidden. But I prefer tell myself we loose because we didn't managed to build a cohesive attack.
And for the last time, ZZ action did not cost us the final. Trezeguet miss the cage, yes, but we forgave him.
Julien
Against France they were literrally dead on their feet, but we didn't scored, even we had the ball possession.
Be proud Australia did nice matchs during this world cup, because like the US, you're not a soccer country, just recently converted (hey you already have good rugby players, it's enough ! :-) )
I agree also for the "lottery referee" : concerning France, against south Corea, one shot crossed the goal ground line, but was refused, and we had the penalty by ZZ in final which is not really justified. For ZZ red card, it's now sure, referee used the 4th referee to see the action on video, which is totally forbidden. But I prefer tell myself we loose because we didn't managed to build a cohesive attack.
And for the last time, ZZ action did not cost us the final. Trezeguet miss the cage, yes, but we forgave him.
Julien
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Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 09:46 PM UTC
Speaking of losing the World Cup. I wonder how manypeople lost their jobs over this:
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=609&id=1008342006
12 million pounds worth of free TVs. I guess someone was betting againt the home team.
:-) :-) :-) :-)
Shaun
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=609&id=1008342006
12 million pounds worth of free TVs. I guess someone was betting againt the home team.
:-) :-) :-) :-)
Shaun
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 02:26 AM UTC
Should have at least given a spread like 2 goals or something. Simply saying "if Italy wins" is 50/50.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 08:48 AM UTC
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Funnily, all the stories about refs being bribed (and particularly the house accusation) I keep hearing from Aussies. Why is that? Come on, if it's crooked, don't play. Don't whine now that you've lost.
Going into extra time is neither here nor there as far as Australia winning is concerned. Italy showed they had what it takes in the fitness department against Germany (one of the fittest team -- if not THE fittest -- in the tournament), in spite of all the bad acting. Australia played well and went down to the world champs. Be proud about that. Don't demean that achievement by accusing the refs, coz bad refs cut both ways, and Oz had their share of the lottery.
The one about the house i heard from a German man we were talking about the world cup, and passed it on,make what you will, i said it before i believe Italy played better than Australia, the passing and the one touch game they played was better in the Australia game than in the German game yet they clearly beat Germany. Australia's biggest problem with a Tournament like the world cup is depth, we just don't have enough players to be able to rest or have any one out, they get there soon, remember it's the four football code here, more money etc go's to the other codes.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 08:56 AM UTC
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Be proud Australia did nice matchs during this world cup, because like the US, you're not a soccer country, just recently converted (hey you already have good rugby players, it's enough ! :-) )
What do you mean the World Cup is a French concept!
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:09 PM UTC
The Italian barbers on Springfield Road in Chelmsford were pretty chuffed about it too. The St George's cross has gone and there was someone painting an Italian tricolour on the wall instead when I went past on Tuesday.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 05:17 PM UTC
Hey Zacman, why being so aggressive against French ?
I've not pushed on the red button to provoc Atomic explosion in the Polynesia (it seems you're reproching French that). Our President Chirac was isolated when he decided that.
I didn't say nothing against aussies !
I only meant Australia is not an old and massive football culture country, unlike most of the country in Europe.
J
I've not pushed on the red button to provoc Atomic explosion in the Polynesia (it seems you're reproching French that). Our President Chirac was isolated when he decided that.
I didn't say nothing against aussies !
I only meant Australia is not an old and massive football culture country, unlike most of the country in Europe.
J
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Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 09:30 AM UTC
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Hey Zacman, why being so aggressive against French ?
I've not pushed on the red button to provoc Atomic explosion in the Polynesia (it seems you're reproching French that). Our President Chirac was isolated when he decided that.
I didn't say nothing against aussies !
I only meant Australia is not an old and massive football culture country, unlike most of the country in Europe.
J
I could say the same thing about you towards Italians!
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Posted: Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 02:42 AM UTC
Can we all behave please ?
Otherwise, i fear a lock will be coming.
I know soccer can reach emotions lol ( hey, we Dutch were knocked out of the world cup too ya know
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Otherwise, i fear a lock will be coming.
I know soccer can reach emotions lol ( hey, we Dutch were knocked out of the world cup too ya know
). Posted: Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 02:00 PM UTC
Yip, Congratulations Italy, well done. Apologies for the belated saluation I kinda got sidetracked.
My landlord will be over the moon, he's first generation Italian and I know he had a bet on. He had the St Georges Cross in one window and the Italian flag in the other, just in case. :-) :-) :-) :-)
Cheers
Al
My landlord will be over the moon, he's first generation Italian and I know he had a bet on. He had the St Georges Cross in one window and the Italian flag in the other, just in case. :-) :-) :-) :-)
Cheers
Al
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