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Posted: Monday, December 25, 2006 - 03:35 PM UTC
GERMAN TANK TRENDS

Just what can be expected from German tanks in the near future? Which models are most likely to be employed extensively? Are present models undergoing much alteration?

A brief summary of the German tank situation at the moment should serve to answer these and other pertinent questions.

There is good reason to believe that the German tanks which will be encountered most frequently in the near future will be the Pz. Kpfw. V (Panther), the Pz. Kpfw. VI (Tiger), and the Pz. Kpfw. IV. However, the Germans have a new 88-mm (3.46-inch) tank gun, the Kw. K. 43, which is capable of an armor-piercing performance greatly superior to that of the 88-mm Kw. K. 36. According to reliable information, the Kw. K. 43 is superseding the Kw. K. 36 as the main armament of the Tiger. A new heavy tank, which has been encountered on a small scale in northwestern France, also is armed with the Kw. K. 43. This new tank looks like a scaled-up Panther, with the wide Tiger tracks. (Further information regarding this tank will appear in an early issue of the Intelligence Bulletin.)

During recent months both the Tiger and the Panther have been fitted with a slightly more powerful 690-horsepower engine in place of the 642-horsepower model. The principal benefit from this slight increase will be a better margin of power and improved engine life. The maximum speed will be increased by no more than 2 or 3 miles per hour.

Face-hardened armor, which was not used on the early Tiger tanks, has reappeared in certain plate of at least one Panther. On other Panthers which have been encountered, only machine-quality armor is used. There is no reason to believe that face-hardening would substantially improve the armor's resistance to penetration by the capped projectiles now in use against it.

It would not have been surprising if the Pz. Kpfw. IV had slowly disappeared from the picture as increased quantities of Panther tanks became available, but actually there was a sharp rise in the rate of production of Pz. Kpfw. IV's during 1943. Moreover, the, front armor of the Pz. Kpfw. IV has been reinforced from 50 mm (1.97 inches) to 80 mm (3.15 inches) by the bolting of additional armor to the nose and front vertical plates. And the 75-mm (2.95-inch) tank gun, Kw. K. 40, has been lengthened by about 14 3/4 inches.

All these developments seem to indicate that the Pz. Kpfw. IV probably will be kept in service for many months. Recent organization evidence reflects this, certainly. In the autumn of 1943, evidence regarding provisional organization for the German tank regiment in the armored division indicated that the aim was a ratio of approximately four Panther tanks for each Pz. Kpfw. IV. Now, however, the standard tank regiment has these two types in approximately equal numbers.

The possibility that Tiger production may have been discontinued has been considered. Although discontinuing the Tiger would relieve the pressure on German industry, it is believed that a sufficient number of these tanks to meet the needs of units equipped with them still is being produced.

Tiger tanks constitute an integral part of division tank regiments only in SS armored divisions. However, armored divisions of an army may receive an allotment of Tigers for special operations.

Early in 1944 a number of Pz. Kpfw. III's converted into flame-throwing tanks appeared in Italy. Nevertheless, it is believed that production of this tank ceased some time ago. Some of the firms which in the past produced Pz. Kpfw. III's now are making assault guns; others are believed to be turning out Panthers. It is extremely unlikely that production of Pz. Kpfw. III's as fighting tanks will ever be resumed, no matter how serious the German tank situation may become.

In an effort to combat attacks by tank hunters, the Germans have fitted the Tiger with S-mine dischargers, which are fired electrically from the interior of the tank. These dischargers are mounted on the turret, and are designed to project a shrapnel antipersonnel mine which bursts in the air a few yards away from the tank. Thus far these dischargers have been noted only on the Tiger, but the Germans quite possibly may decide to use them on still other tanks.

The Germans take additional precautions, as well. For protection against hollow-charge projectiles and the Soviet antitank rifle's armor-piercing bullet with a tungsten carbide core, they fit a skirting of mild steel plates, about 1/4- inch thick, on the sides of the hull. In the case of the Pz. Kpfw. IV, the skirting is suitably spaced from the sides and also from the rear of the turret. Finally, the skirting plates, as well as the hulls and turrets of the tanks themselves, are, coated with a sufficient thickness of non-magnetic plaster to prevent magnetic demolition charges from adhering to the metal underneath.

Despite the recent introduction of the new heavy tank which resembles the Panther and mounts a Kw. K. 43, it is believed that circumstances will force the Germans to concentrate on the manufacture and improvement of current types, particularly the Pz. Kpfw. IV and the familiar version of the Panther.

Evidence suggests that a modified Pz. Kpfw. II will shortly appear as a reconnaissance vehicle. Official German documents sometimes refer to it as an armored car and sometimes as a tank.

GERMAN TANKS IN ACTION

A German prisoner observes that the following are standard training principles in the German tank arm:


1. Surprise.
2. Prompt decisions and prompt execution of these decisions.
3. The fullest possible exploitation of the terrain for firing. However, fields of fire come before cover.
4. Do not fire while moving except when absolutely essential.
5. Face the attacker head-on; do not offer a broadside target.
6. When attacked by hostile tanks, concentrate solely on these.
7. If surprised without hope of favorable defense, scatter and reassemble in favorable terrain. Try to draw the attacker into a position which will give you the advantage.
8. If smoke is to be used, keep wind direction in mind. A good procedure is to leave a few tanks in position as decoys, and, when the hostile force is approaching them, to direct a smoke screen toward the hostile force and blind it.
9. If hostile tanks are sighted, German tanks should halt and prepare to engage them by surprise, holding fire as long as possible. The reaction of the hostile force must be estimated before the attack is launched.
A German Army document entitled "How the Tiger Can Aid the Infantry" contains a number of interesting points. The following are outstanding:


1. The tank expert must have a chance to submit his opinion before any combined tank-infantry attack.
2. If the ground will support a man standing on one leg and carrying another man on his shoulders, it will support a tank.
3. When mud is very deep, corduroy roads must be built ahead of time. Since this requires manpower, material, and time, the work should be undertaken only near the point where the main effort is to be made.
4. Tanks must be deployed to conduct their fire fight.
5. The Tiger, built to fight tanks and antitank guns, must function as offensive weapon, even in the defense. This is its best means of defense against hostile tanks. Give it a chance to use its unique capabilities for fire and movement.
6. The Tiger must keep moving. At the halt it is an easy target.
7. The Tiger must not be used singly. [Obviously, this does not apply to the Tiger used as roving artillery in the defense. On numerous occasions the Germans have been using single Tigers for this purpose.] The more mass you can assemble, the greater your success will be. Protect your Tigers with infantry.

HOW TO FIGHT PANZERS: A GERMAN VIEW

An anti-Nazi prisoner of war, discussing the various methods of combating German tanks, makes some useful comments. Although they are neither new nor startling, they are well worth studying since they are observations made by a tank man who fought the United Nations forces in Italy.

German tanks undoubtedly are formidable weapons against a soft-shelled opposition, but become a less difficult proposition when confronted with resolution combined with a knowledge not only of their potentialities but also of their weaknesses.

When dealing with German heavy tanks, your most effective weapon is your ability to keep still and wait for them to come within effective range. The next most important thing is to camouflage your position with the best available resources so that the German tanks won't spot you from any angle.

If these two factors are constantly kept in mind, the battle is half won. Movement of any kind is a mistake which certainly will betray you, yet I saw many instances of this self-betrayal by the British in Italy. Allow the enemy tank to approach as close as possible before engaging it — this is one of the fundamental secrets of antitank success. In Italy I often felt that the British opened fire on tanks much too soon. Their aim was good, but the ranges were too great, and the rounds failed to penetrate. My own case is a good illustration: if the opposition had held its fire for only a few moments longer, I should not be alive to tell this tale.

By letting the German tank approach as close as possible, you gain a big advantage. When it is on the move, it is bound to betray its presence from afar. Whereas you yourself can prepare to fire on it without giving your own position away. The tank will spot you only after you have fired your first round.

A tank in motion cannot fire effectively with its cannon; the gunner can place fire accurately only when the vehicle is stationary. Therefore, there is no need to be unduly nervous because an approaching tank swivels its turret this way and that. Every tank commander will do this in an attempt to upset his opponents' tank recognition. If the tank fires nothing but its machine guns, you can be pretty sure that you have not yet been spotted.

Consider the advantages of firing on a tank at close range:

1. In most cases the leading tank is a reconnaissance vehicle. Survivors of the crew, when such a short distance away from you, have little chance of escape. This is a big advantage, inasmuch as they cannot rejoin their outfit and describe the location of your position to the main body.
2. Another tank following its leader on a road cannot run you down. In order to bypass the leading tank, it has to slow down. Then, long before the gunner can place fire on you, you can destroy the tank and block the road effectively. Earlier in the war, a German tank man I knew destroyed 11 hostile tanks in one day by using this method.

VULNERABILITY OF THE PZ. KPFW. VI

A tank is such a complicated weapon, with its many movable parts and its elaborate mechanism, that it is particularly valuable to know its points of greatest vulnerability. Recently the Soviet Artillery Journal published a number of practical suggestions, based on extensive combat experience, regarding the vulnerability of the Tiger.

All weapons now used for destroying German tanks — antitank guns and rifles, caliber .50 heavy machine guns, antitank grenades, and Molotov cocktails — are effective against the Pz. Kpfw. VI.

1. Suspension System. — The mobility of tanks depends upon the proper functioning of the suspension parts: the sprocket (small driving wheel), the idler (small wheel in the rear), the wheels, and the tracks. All these parts are vulnerable to shells of all calibers. The sprocket is especially vulnerable.

Fire armor-piercing shells and high-explosive shells at the sprocket, idler, and tracks.

Fire at the wheels with high-explosive shells. Use antitank grenades, antitank mines, and movable antitank mines against the suspension parts. Attach three or four mines to a board. Place the board wherever tanks are expected to pass. Camouflage the board and yourself. As a tank passes by, pull the board in the proper direction and place it under the track of the tank.

[A German source states that this method was successfully used on roads and road crossings in Russia, and that it still is taught in tank combat courses for infantry. The mine is called the Scharniermine (pivot mine). It consists of a stout length of board, 8 inches wide by 2 inches thick, and cut to a length dependent on the width of the road to be blocked. A hole is bored at one end, through which a spike or bayonet can be driven into the ground, thus providing a pivot for the board. A hook is fastened to the other end of the board, and a rope is tied to the hook, as shown in Figure 3. Tellermines are secured to the top of the board.



One man can operate this mine. After the board has been fastened down at one end with the spike (in emergencies, a bayonet) and a rope tied to the hook at the other end, the board is laid along the side of the road. On the opposite side of the road, a man is posted in a narrow slit trench. He holds the other end of the rope. When a tank approaches, the tank hunter waits until it is close enough to the pivoted board, and, at the very last moment, he pulls the free end of the board across the road. The rope and slit trench must be well camouflaged. A good deal of emphasis is placed on this point.]

2. Side Armor Plates. — There are two armor plates on each side of the tank. The lower plate is partly covered by the wheels. This plate protects the engine and the gasoline tanks, which are located in the rear of the hull — directly beyond and over the two rear wheels. Ammunition is kept in special compartments along the sides of the tank. These compartments are protected by the upper armor plate.

Fire armor-piercing shells from 76-, 57-, and 45-mm guns at the upper and lower armor plate. When the gas tanks or ammunition compartments are hit, the vehicle will be set on fire.

3. Rear Armor Plate. — The rear armor plate protects the engine, the gasoline tank, and the radiators.

Use antitank guns. Aim at the rear armor plate. When the engine or the gasoline tanks are hit, the tank will halt and will begin to burn.

4. Peepholes, Vision Ports, and Slits. — The main turret has two openings for firing small-arms weapons, and two vision ports. The turret has five observation slits. There are two sighting devices on the roof of the front part of the tank — one for the driver, the other for the gunner. There is also a port with sliding covers in the front armor plate.

Use all available weapons for firing at the peepholes, observation ports, vision slits, and the ports for small-arms weapons.

5. Turrets. — The commander's turret is an important and vulnerable target.

Fire high-explosive and armor-piercing shells of all calibers at the commander's turret. Throw antitank grenades and incendiary bottles after the turret has been damaged.

The tank commander, the turret commander, and the gunner ride in the turret. The tank gun and many mechanical devices are found in the turret.

Fire at the turret with 76-, 57-, and 45-mm shells at ranges of 500 yards or less.

6. Tank Armament. — The turret is armed with a gun and a machine gun mounted coaxially. Another machine gun is found in the front part of the hull. It protrudes through the front armor plate, on a ball mount, and is manned by, the radio operator.

Concentrate the fire of all weapons on the armament of the tank. Fire with antitank rifles at the ball mount of the hull machine gun.

7. Air Vents and Ventilators. — The air vents and the ventilators are found under the slit-shaped perforations of the roof of the hull, directly behind the turret. Another air vent is located in the front part of the roof, between the two observation ports used by the radio operator and the driver.

Use incendiary bottles and antitank grenades to damage the ventilating system.

8. Tank Floor. — When an antitank mine explodes under the tank, the floor of the tank is smashed, and the tank is knocked out of action.

9. Base of Turret. — There is a 10-mm slit going all around the turret, between the base of the turret and the roof of the hull.

Fire at the base of the turret with heavy machine guns and antitank guns, to destroy the turret mechanism, and disrupt the field of fire. Fire with high-explosive shells at the base of the turret in order to wreck the roof of the hull and put the tank out of action.

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Posted: Monday, December 25, 2006 - 04:00 PM UTC

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History Channel was never a good source of information; most of the programs there can be regarded as propaganda, the way they distort history. That's why I was a bit surprised about the stalk judgment on the sherman.



Agreed 100%.

First of all, the HC is useful as a source for archive footage (with the proviso, you COMPLETELY ignore the commentaries and draw your own conclusions) as a serious 'source' it's up there with Call of Duty...

HC is produced to give a generally uninformed audience a 'taste' of history. It's populist and really just comes into the category of docu-entertainment. It DOES serve a useful function, in that some viewers may be encouraged to look a little further into the subject. As a 'source' it's all but useless, but not entirely negative.

Nothing, at the end of the day, is better than good reference material...
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Posted: Monday, December 25, 2006 - 04:09 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, December 25, 2006 - 07:07 PM UTC
I would addd that the History Channel has a supeb Lost Evidence segment that I tape. The value lies in being able to see the disposition of forces in a given battle (e.g. The Crossing of the Rhine). I use the visual products to assist my reading comprehension on the operations around Wesel and the crossing of the Rhine. As a visual reference their computer assisted actions are worth the time to watch.
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Just one itty bitty little comment:
One of the design criterias for a mass media like television is:
'Keep it simple'.
Always keep this in mind when consuming TV or newspapers.

If a producer tries to come across with a complicated message
she/he has lost the battle. The audience will not understand and
will switch to something else. "The Sherman was an engineering
disaster" is, and I hate to say it, a LOT easier to understand than
the complex message given by the posts above. Line up ten pros
and cons and ask the viewer to understand while being interrupted
by commercials all the time???
/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 - 08:42 PM UTC

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Just one itty bitty little comment:
One of the design criterias for a mass media like television is:
'Keep it simple'.
Always keep this in mind when consuming TV or newspapers.

If a producer tries to come across with a complicated message
she/he has lost the battle. The audience will not understand and
will switch to something else. "The Sherman was an engineering
disaster" is, and I hate to say it, a LOT easier to understand than
the complex message given by the posts above. Line up ten pros
and cons and ask the viewer to understand while being interrupted
by commercials all the time???
/ Robin



I think you're wrong. The average viewer is not a demented child. I do believe that the aim of a documentary is to inform, and making everything simple might satisfy somebody who doesn't like intellectual challenges, but those people are usually watching football and spike TV exclusively. (No offense to football fans.)
There are many excellent (usually English or German) documentaries that can come through with a complex picture. Not to mention those French children's animated series about the history of the world or the human body which were stuffed with information yet were enjoyable to young kids.


Jan
Thank you for the very detailed posts. If you don't mind I'll print them for later reference...
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 - 10:44 PM UTC

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Just one itty bitty little comment:
One of the design criterias for a mass media like television is:
'Keep it simple'.
Always keep this in mind when consuming TV or newspapers.

If a producer tries to come across with a complicated message
she/he has lost the battle. The audience will not understand and
will switch to something else. "The Sherman was an engineering
disaster" is, and I hate to say it, a LOT easier to understand than
the complex message given by the posts above. Line up ten pros
and cons and ask the viewer to understand while being interrupted
by commercials all the time???
/ Robin



Robin-- I tend to agree with your commentary. I would add that when watching these programs, one must always say, "yeah, but what did they know when they was happening?" Field Marshall Slim had a famous statement that went something like....historians will dissect for thirty years decisions I made in thirty seconds.
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I think you're wrong. The average viewer is not a demented child.



Hi Andras,
I'm sorry for making it look as if I considered the average viewer to
be a demented child, that was definitely not my intention.

I still think I'm mostly correct in my statement though,
there is such a "background noise" in todays world, lots of TV-channels,
lots of magazines/newspapers, radio channels, advertising and internet
so if the message doesn't catch the potential consumer more or less
immediately the message is lost in the "noise".
I know there are many well made documentaries but I still think that
the producers at History Channel have to adapt to their competitive situation. It is easier to get someone to listen if you make a controversial or scandalous statement instead of saying something like "Maybe the Sherman wasn't the best possible tank of WWII ...."
Then there is also the possibility of doing a follow-up later ;-)
In some cultures/countries there is also a tendency to prefer black-white
situations: "good or evil but nothing in between", "either you are with us
or against us" and that makes it difficult to give a mixed statement.
"Make up you mind dammit! Was it a good tank or a bad tank?!"
Answering that question with "It depends on blablabla ...." doesn't work.
/ Robin
with a mixed view of everything ;-)
I just realised I should keep that "avatar" showing a black profile with a question mark
instead of replacing it with something more colourful :-)
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Well, tomorrow, the History Channel is running some four hours of Lost Evidence. I am taping it.
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I think you're wrong. The average viewer is not a demented child.



Hi Andras,
I'm sorry for making it look as if I considered the average viewer to
be a demented child, that was definitely not my intention.



God, I just realized what I wrote... I did not have any intention to sound offensive. I'm sorry.
The problem is, though, you're right. The media do treat viewers as people not capable making well-informed decisions for themselves, or listening to something for more than 5 minutes. Therefore they pre-digest the facts for you... You can see it how the media reports news (I really don't think I should write examples, because politics has nothing to do here, but it's really strange how the truth gets distorted, and no one seems to notice or mind), how they make documentaries, and all. It's sad, really.
Anyway my Firefly is getting ready
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I did not have any intention to sound offensive. I'm sorry.
The problem is, though, you're right. The media do treat viewers as people not capable making well-informed decisions for themselves, or listening to something for more than 5 minutes. ..... It's sad, really.
Anyway my Firefly is getting ready



Hi Andras
No offense taken :-)
Happy modelling with the Firefly !
regards / Robin