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I will stop feeding you now.
sounds like a real good idea.
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Grumpyoldman
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sounds like a real good idea.
Vic
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 04:10 AM UTC
Just an observation from sitting on the fence.
If Robert has passed info to moderators then all it needs is a moderator to confirm his story here and any fabrication alligations are solved.
Names and details don't need to be given, just confirmation.
As for that name Bryan Gray, it makes my blood boil just reading it.
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Just an observation from sitting on the fence.
If Robert has passed info to moderators then all it needs is a moderator to confirm his story here and any fabrication alligations are solved.
Names and details don't need to be given, just confirmation.
As for that name Bryan Gray, it makes my blood boil just reading it.
I'll second on that one. It would probably help put the matter to rest.
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I'll second on that one. It would probably help put the matter to rest.
Okay (sigh) ... I hope I do not upset any of these people by naming them, as I consider them friends, but here goes. I also cannot guarantee that they are going to come rushing to my defense, but I suppose if you really want to bug them, you can contact them yourselves.
Gordon Stonarch, and Anders Heintz from planetFigure have known about my stalker for probably over a year now. I have talked with Gordy about it via phone. Anders knows my stalker personally, and also knows that I declined to build figures and paint box art for this individual. Anders shared his suspicions with me over a year ago that this person, was in fact, my stalker.
Gray Creager from TimeLines has also been aware of the harassing e-mails for six months at least. Gray and I talked about this no less than three months ago via private PMs at TimeLines.
When I started visiting this site again, I mentioned the e-mails to Nate Phelps (I think), and then to John Paradelli, and Rudi Richardson. This was well before the really bad e-mail I received (and posted), a month or more before, I believe.
These people are all site moderators. I beleive Anders was also a moderator here at one time. Again, he knows the person in question, as he was a former business partner with Anders.
If this does not suffice, then I do not know what to tell you all. I think it is ridiculous that I have to drag these people into the spotlight to "vouch" for my "story" of harassment.
I can guarantee that, by now, a few of these people (if not all) think I am a flake. I am so paranoid now because of all the e-mail harassment, I trust virtually no one, which can make me look flighty (never knowing who I can trust).
I am sure that this post will thrill them to no end...
Robert
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 04:57 AM UTC
All I will say is that I am glad that this over (for now). I'm happy you found resolution.
CReading
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I distinctly recall Mr. Gray as the main instigator though, and also one of the moderators over at WW2MM, who I hear is also gone now.
Robert,
Well, I was a moderator over at WW2MM and I haven't frequented any sites very much over the last 12 months.
HOWEVER, I would like you to make it perfectly clear to everyone that I do not know you and have never had any involvement in the stalking episode that you are vaguely accusing unnamed folks from other websites of perpatrating.
I don't appreciate having suspicions cast upon me or anyone else because of my past and ongoing association with WW2MM
Sincerely,
Charles Reading
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 05:14 AM UTC
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All I will say is that I am glad that this over (for now). I'm happy you found resolution.
For now? Good Lord... what do you people WANT from me?
Now I have the staff doubting me, great... I wish you had all piled on your "doubts" when I posted the e-mail in the first place...
After this thread, there is certainly no "resolution" here.
Robert
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 05:17 AM UTC
I did indeed get the name of the person via email.
I have never heard of this person but I trust that some of the people Robert mentioned above have.
I would certainly advise this person (or anyone else) not to try to represent themselves as Armorama staff members or harrass members via email or PMs in any way.
I too hope this chapter is over.
Thanks,
Jim
I have never heard of this person but I trust that some of the people Robert mentioned above have.
I would certainly advise this person (or anyone else) not to try to represent themselves as Armorama staff members or harrass members via email or PMs in any way.
I too hope this chapter is over.
Thanks,
Jim
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 05:25 AM UTC
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I don't appreciate having suspicions cast upon me or anyone else because of my past and ongoing association with WW2MM
Sincerely,
Charles Reading
I do not know you either, and I never said you were involved. I named Bryan Gray, and mentioned one of the WW2 moderator staff also participated (and he did).
I never said either one was my stalker.
I merely pointed out that because of my unjust treatment at WW2 by Gray and this particular moderator (I cannot recall his name, or else I would POST it) and their friends, that I am unwilling to post the name of my stalker in a public forum.
I made that one mistake, and have been attacked for it since.
Of course, if you follow this thread, then it is all an imaginary fabrication because I need attention... and none of it matters.
Robert
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 05:27 AM UTC
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I have never heard of this person but I trust that some of the people Robert mentioned above have.
Jim,
Please check with Anders Heintz. He knows him, and he will confirm everything I have said.
Robert
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 05:43 AM UTC
Robert,
Stick to your guns and go with how you feel: don't name the dumb
that has been harrassing you. Don't bow down to a couple of posts by someone that (my personal opinion) probably knows more than is being let on, or likes to badger people. AGAIN, my personal opinion.
You've given the information to the Big Guy, what more should you have to do or offer to others??? The Big Guy can verify the information if he so desires. And it's none of anyone else's business if he does (other than perhaps some of the staff).
I ask others this: WHY would Robert go through this entire ordeal just to "garner attention???????" He's given the Big Guy pertinent information; information that can be verified or denied. Again, WHY would Robert stake his reputation on this if it's BS??? I personally don't buy that.
Now, I'll get off MY soapbox!!! (still need that emoticon!)
Mike (++) (++)
Stick to your guns and go with how you feel: don't name the dumb
that has been harrassing you. Don't bow down to a couple of posts by someone that (my personal opinion) probably knows more than is being let on, or likes to badger people. AGAIN, my personal opinion.You've given the information to the Big Guy, what more should you have to do or offer to others??? The Big Guy can verify the information if he so desires. And it's none of anyone else's business if he does (other than perhaps some of the staff).
I ask others this: WHY would Robert go through this entire ordeal just to "garner attention???????" He's given the Big Guy pertinent information; information that can be verified or denied. Again, WHY would Robert stake his reputation on this if it's BS??? I personally don't buy that.
Now, I'll get off MY soapbox!!! (still need that emoticon!)
Mike (++) (++)
CReading
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Robert,
I just want to make it perfectly clear to everyone who knows of my past moderator position and my ongoing association with WW2MM that I was not the unnamed WW2 staff member that you anonomously refer to.
I know you didn't accuse or specifically name me but due to your reference of a former WW2MM moderator who isn't around any longer....well that description could fit several people, myself included.
I am not doubting your story and/or suggesting anything is less that what you say it is. I simply point out that when you publish relatively vague descriptions (former WW2MM moderator) it can fit many people.
Sincerely,
Charles Reading
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I do not know you either, and I never said you were involved. I named Bryan Gray, and mentioned one of the WW2 moderator staff also participated (any he did).
Robert,
I just want to make it perfectly clear to everyone who knows of my past moderator position and my ongoing association with WW2MM that I was not the unnamed WW2 staff member that you anonomously refer to.
I know you didn't accuse or specifically name me but due to your reference of a former WW2MM moderator who isn't around any longer....well that description could fit several people, myself included.
I am not doubting your story and/or suggesting anything is less that what you say it is. I simply point out that when you publish relatively vague descriptions (former WW2MM moderator) it can fit many people.
Sincerely,
Charles Reading
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 05:58 AM UTC
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Robert,
I just want to make it perfectly clear to everyone who knows of my past moderator position and my ongoing association with WW2MM that I was not the unnamed WW2 staff member that you anonomously refer to.
I know you didn't accuse or specifically name me but due to your reference of a former WW2MM moderator who isn't around any longer....well that description could fit several people, myself included.
I am not doubting your story and/or suggesting anything is less that what you say it is. I simply point out that when you publish relatively vague descriptions (former WW2MM moderator) it can fit many people.
Sincerely,
Charles Reading
Hi Charles,
I did not think of it like that, and I am sorry. I should have thought of those consequences before stating it the way I did.
I honestly cannot recall the moderator's name. I recall being shocked that a moderator would take sides like that, especially with the proof I had on my side, which showed the completion of my part of the trade.
Please accept my sincerest apology if I offended you.
Robert
CReading
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Robert,
I am not offended in the least. I am happy for you that whoever was harassing you for whatever reason has stopped or at least you are aware of this person (s) identity. Hopefully you have put a stop to it for good.
What part of Ohio ? I was born just outside of Columbus
Cheers,
Charles
I am not offended in the least. I am happy for you that whoever was harassing you for whatever reason has stopped or at least you are aware of this person (s) identity. Hopefully you have put a stop to it for good.
What part of Ohio ? I was born just outside of Columbus
Cheers,
Charles
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 06:10 AM UTC
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I ask others this: WHY would Robert go through this entire ordeal just to "garner attention???????" He's given the Big Guy pertinent information; information that can be verified or denied. Again, WHY would Robert stake his reputation on this if it's BS??? I personally don't buy that.
Thank you, Mike... I have been wondering when someone would mention this. I would have to be NUTS to make this up. It's all verifiable.
I look like enough of a flake now, so I am going to let it lie... I am exhausted...
Robert
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 06:12 AM UTC
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What part of Ohio ? I was born just outside of Columbus
Hi Charles,
Just sent you a PM.
Centerburg, Ohio, the geographical center... ever hear of it?
Robert
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so who is mr gray, and what did he do wrong?
i hope it's not the guy off dreamcatcher!
is it the fella who reviewed the dragon russian sherman?
i want the goss!
i hope it's not the guy off dreamcatcher!
is it the fella who reviewed the dragon russian sherman?
i want the goss!
Lucky
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 06:33 AM UTC
Nice to know your problem's been resolved.. Some people...what the hell is wrong with them?
CReading
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Centerburg, Ohio, the geographical center... ever hear of it?
I've heard of it but don't know that I've ever been there. Left Ohio when I was too young to have gotten around on my own. Probably past through with my Dad at some point as we used to drive all around the state.
Cheers,
Charles
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 06:44 AM UTC
Well looks like I got drug into all this...
I can personally attest to that the guy who been harrasing Rob is a wack job. He was the armor dude behind mustang productions, and after while (before we even really got started) he all of a sudden changed the password to the mustang email account and leaving me with nothing but some nasty emails.
Now this is part my fault since I really didnt know the guy personally, just via a common friend (who he stole $1000's worth of kits from btw...). and it was my mistake to join up with him after him asking me to help him out starting up a business. He seamed like a great guy at first...
Anyways, I am glad that it is over now Rob...time to move on.
I can personally attest to that the guy who been harrasing Rob is a wack job. He was the armor dude behind mustang productions, and after while (before we even really got started) he all of a sudden changed the password to the mustang email account and leaving me with nothing but some nasty emails.
Now this is part my fault since I really didnt know the guy personally, just via a common friend (who he stole $1000's worth of kits from btw...). and it was my mistake to join up with him after him asking me to help him out starting up a business. He seamed like a great guy at first...
Anyways, I am glad that it is over now Rob...time to move on.
ModelCitizen
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 06:52 AM UTC
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Well looks like I got drug into all this...
I can personally attest to that the guy who been harrasing Rob is a wack job. He was the armor dude behind mustang productions, and after while (before we even really got started) he all of a sudden changed the password to the mustang email account and leaving me with nothing but some nasty emails.
Now this is part my fault since I really didnt know the guy personally, just via a common friend (who he stole $1000's worth of kits from btw...). and it was my mistake to join up with him after him asking me to help him out starting up a business. He seamed like a great guy at first...
Anyways, I am glad that it is over now Rob...time to move on.
Anders, I am sincerely sorry to have dragged you into this. You are the one person I spoke with at length about my situatuation, and you know the person in question.
Please accept my sincerest apology from bringing you in. Please see the sincere PM I have sent you.
I hope this "issue" is now put to rest for the doubters out there. Enough time and energy has been spent on this thread, and I do not feel I need to defend myself further.
Robert
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 07:00 AM UTC
Its cool man.
[auto-censored] happens and there just have to be some crazy people out there who are just nuts and have to cause trouble with people to make them selves feel good.
Im just glad its over for you, now you can move on and get back to painting and not worry about crazy emails!
[auto-censored] happens and there just have to be some crazy people out there who are just nuts and have to cause trouble with people to make them selves feel good.
Im just glad its over for you, now you can move on and get back to painting and not worry about crazy emails!
Grumpyoldman
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 07:10 AM UTC
Good to see you Anders....
Looking forward to seeing your TV show... even though I'll have to tape it and watch it during the day......
Looking forward to seeing your TV show... even though I'll have to tape it and watch it during the day......
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How about deleting the offending email, and adding the sender (and his isp) to your spam filter?
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Good to see you Anders....
Looking forward to seeing your TV show... even though I'll have to tape it and watch it during the day......
TV show???? What kind of TV show??? Scale Modeling by chance??
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Robert, stand proud. The
with the naysayers. You Sir, have been vindicated. I know you feel it's been costly, as I'm sure I would feel the same....but I believe the "respect level" is back where it should be (not that I'd have given a knowing who's right and who's wrong).But,
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For now? Good Lord... what do you people WANT from me?
Now I have the ..............
And,
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After this thread, there is certainly no "resolution" here.
I think these were probably stated in frustration, not in anger......rightfully so? Premature? Subject to interpretation.
BUT, it's all said and done.
Mike (++) (++)
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