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Blade26
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 10:44 PM UTC
Guys please help me out!
I just finished my Mi-24 Hind D and sprayed it with a matt varnish!
It is getting white(a foggy look) while it is slowly drying out!
Will it come to look normal after completely dry?
I use Future before to seal the decals and make the weathering,is it possible to be the one responsible?
Will another coat of matt varnish make it look good?
I thinned it with White Spirit!!
Please help me!!!!!!
thebear
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 10:49 PM UTC
Hi George ...what to say but just let it dry and hope it clears up... Keep your fingers crossed! 
Rick
Rick
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 11:02 PM UTC
George, I have heard 2 theorys about the dreaded white haze.
1-the varnish is to cool, heat it up under hot water for a few minutes before spraying
2- to much mosture in the air, spray when there is less humidity in the air
Make sure the model is in a warm place and give it a couple of days, hopfully your problem will "clear up"
1-the varnish is to cool, heat it up under hot water for a few minutes before spraying
2- to much mosture in the air, spray when there is less humidity in the air
Make sure the model is in a warm place and give it a couple of days, hopfully your problem will "clear up"
WildCard
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 11:08 PM UTC
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heat it up under hot water for a few minutes before spraying
I have done this once and the can blew up and paint was all over the dinner table! Luckily I was not touching the can since the bottom was nicely jagged!
My friend did the same with his CO2 can by using hot water. The can shot through the celing and made a nice hole.
Just wait for the coat to dry and see what happens... lukewarm can distribute the paint better.
WC
TedMamere
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 11:40 PM UTC
Hi George!
Let me guess... didn't you used Tamiya Flat Coat?
Jean-Luc
Let me guess... didn't you used Tamiya Flat Coat?
Jean-Luc
SKurj
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 12:31 AM UTC
There is no Tamiya flat coat...
Perhaps you mean Tamiya Flat Base (not a flat coat).
George... what did you use for flat varnish? How long had the future and the weathering below the flat had to dry? What did you thin with white spirit? the future? or the flat varnish?
Martyn
Perhaps you mean Tamiya Flat Base (not a flat coat).
George... what did you use for flat varnish? How long had the future and the weathering below the flat had to dry? What did you thin with white spirit? the future? or the flat varnish?
Martyn
Rockfall
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 12:40 AM UTC
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I have done this once and the can blew up and paint was all over the dinner table! Luckily I was not touching the can since the bottom was nicely jagged!
My friend did the same with his CO2 can by using hot water. The can shot through the celing and made a nice hole.
You only need to warm it up a bit. Not boil it! I just put some warm tap water in a coffee cup and set the bottle in that.
Blade26
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 12:46 AM UTC
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George... what did you use for flat varnish? How long had the future and the weathering below the flat had to dry? What did you thin with white spirit? the future? or the flat varnish?
Martyn
I used an old Humbrol matt varnish after 24-25 hours of the future and the weathering took place!
I thinned the varnish wiht white spirit!
It's foggy (white) in some places and not the whole kit!
Will another coat bring it back?
jazza
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 12:52 AM UTC
I too would be asking if you are using Tamiya Base Coat as a matt varnish as it has the same characteristics as you mentioned when it dries. It turns foggy and when completely dry, its white. If so, you have essentially used the wrong mixture for your matt varnish.
As already been asked as well.....did you wait for the underlying coats to compeletely dry?
As already been asked as well.....did you wait for the underlying coats to compeletely dry?
Blade26
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:17 AM UTC
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As already been asked as well.....did you wait for the underlying coats to compeletely dry?
I think so!
I waited for about 24-25 hours!!
i think that's enough for a thin layer of future!!
ws48
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:21 AM UTC
George,
This sounds like a common paint problem called blushing. It is caused by either trapped moisture in a fast drying paint film or moisture from a base coat of a water reducible such as future being trapped by a coat of solvent based varnish. This could be case if the future had not cured throughly.
A possible solution is to spray a light coat of white spirits over the blushed areas. If the varnish has not cured completely, the spirits may open the film enough to allow the moisture to escape. I would try this on a test spot before doing the entire model.
Hope this helps,
Don
This sounds like a common paint problem called blushing. It is caused by either trapped moisture in a fast drying paint film or moisture from a base coat of a water reducible such as future being trapped by a coat of solvent based varnish. This could be case if the future had not cured throughly.
A possible solution is to spray a light coat of white spirits over the blushed areas. If the varnish has not cured completely, the spirits may open the film enough to allow the moisture to escape. I would try this on a test spot before doing the entire model.
Hope this helps,
Don
Blade26
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:34 AM UTC
Thanks Donn!
I was thinking of doing this!
I also thought not to spray it but brush it with white spirit on the places that has the blushing!!
Thanks again!!
I was thinking of doing this!
I also thought not to spray it but brush it with white spirit on the places that has the blushing!!
Thanks again!!
TedMamere
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:42 AM UTC
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There is no Tamiya flat coat...
Perhaps you mean Tamiya Flat Base (not a flat coat).
Yes, sorry... Flat Base! Thanks Martyn!
Jean-Luc
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