I watched Battle of the Bulge (1965) last night. As I didn't remember ever seeing it, I waited all day for this to come on. Talk about dissappointment. This has to be the worst war movie I've ever seen. They didn't even seem to try to get some of the facts right. Like the Tiger tanks used were actually M47 Pattons. And what was supposed to be a densly forested region was usually depicted as being almost desert-like. The continuity was a joke too. Like machine guns moving from the gunners side to the drivers side from frame to frame. Or two American GI's placing plastic explosive on the the glacis plate in one scene. The very next frame didn't show the explosive. And the next scene showed it right before the tank exploded.
Okay, that's it for my rant. So what ranks as the worst war movie you've ever seen?
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Worst war movie ever
mauserman
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Cary, you nailed one of the major stinkers right off, nothing made sense in B.O.B.
Then again The Big Red One with Lee Marvin is certainly right up there.
I apologise to the Patton fans out there George C. Scott was brilliant as Patton, but the movie as a whole, especially the desert battle didn't do much for me.
Cheyenne
Then again The Big Red One with Lee Marvin is certainly right up there.
I apologise to the Patton fans out there George C. Scott was brilliant as Patton, but the movie as a whole, especially the desert battle didn't do much for me.
Cheyenne
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 03:24 AM UTC
Any of the Iron Eagle flicks..
One of them was on the other night late and I channel flicked through it.. long enough to see empty pylons become full to launch a variety of ordiannce, to become empty , to be full of air to air missiles.
But the best was the one seater F16's morphing to 2 seaters in the next shot and back again...
Mike
One of them was on the other night late and I channel flicked through it.. long enough to see empty pylons become full to launch a variety of ordiannce, to become empty , to be full of air to air missiles.
But the best was the one seater F16's morphing to 2 seaters in the next shot and back again...
Mike
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I'm sort of trying not to laugh. You waited all day for that piece of crap! BOTB has got to be one of the worst.
Don't know if this counts as a war movie but Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen didn't appeal to me very much
Don't know if this counts as a war movie but Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen didn't appeal to me very much
mauserman
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Yep, waited all &%$#)@% day! What a waste of celluoid.
peacekeeper
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And please don't forget the all time worst war pic ever:
Boys in Company C
Boys in Company C
TsunamiBomb
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oh god, dont even get me started with all the horrible flaws. Then at the end, they had this idiot say that the most accurate part of the movie was the malmady massacre part, he said there were over 350 prisoners killed, which in real life was 80. God, that is the worst movie ever.
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 02:42 PM UTC
Heart's war tops my list. Enemy at the Gates is among the top contenders also. Russians with British accents sort of ruin the whole effect. 
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"Raid on Rommel" is pretty dire, as most of the action scenes are culled from "Tobruk", you can even recognise the actors in some scenes from the other film if you look closely! But you're right, from the point of view of accuracy, BoTB may well be the worst film ever made, They didn't even attempt to get ANYTHING right, I think they just filmed a National Guard exercise & built a film round it! :-)
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BTW, further to the above, I've always considered BoTB to be something of an insult to the people who actually took part, & it's somewhat surprising that it's never been remade, when one considers the significance of this campaign in American military history. But maybe there's a reason for this (apart from the logistics of getting all the armour required, computer graphics anyone?); after all I can't think offhand of a film that depicts the fighting in the Hurtgen Forest, a sort of "lost campaign".
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 11:26 PM UTC
Steve,
IIRC the movie "When Trumpets Fade" is about the Hurtgen. Pretty good flick, too. Check it out if you get the chance.
Link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0135706/
Shaun
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I have the problem that I am much to critical of films with a historical nature. I recently saw Kingdoms of Heaven... although I thoroughly enjoyed the movie for the story, backdrop etc I sat through the movie going "that wrong" or "the Templars never wore that or wore their hair in that fashion or carried that" etc etc etc... I have done the same in VIRTUALLY EVERY military based movie I have ever seen... Pearl Harbour, Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers in particular...
I find I am especially critical of big budget movies, where they just haven't bothered to spend a bit extra and get the damned thing right... I can still understand with the older productions where the budgets were not necessarily as bit... but when the likes of Spielberg and Ridley Scott cut corners... that's unacceptable...
As for accents... how about Achilles with an American accent... 'nuff sed...
:-)
As me missus sez... it's only a movie... :-) :-) :-) :-)
I find I am especially critical of big budget movies, where they just haven't bothered to spend a bit extra and get the damned thing right... I can still understand with the older productions where the budgets were not necessarily as bit... but when the likes of Spielberg and Ridley Scott cut corners... that's unacceptable...
As for accents... how about Achilles with an American accent... 'nuff sed...
:-)As me missus sez... it's only a movie... :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Well, I totally agree with BoTB. I saw it as a kit and I found it great. Saw it as a modeller with historical interests later... I was just as dissapointed as Mauserman.
Check also: Battle of the Bulge mistakes, goofs and bloopers
and have a good :-)
What do you think of this Priest 'mock-up'? (Well, at least they did'ny use a Sexton or someting)
The worst AT THE MOMENT movie I find Black Hawk Down (sorry to all who loved it).
The reason is that you should aspect they made something good nowdays and so you do not accept a movie in which you see the MOVIE CREW IN THE VEHICELS more than once!
Not to mention the heroic, friendly and relaxed handshake between the officers on the middle of the street when the last escape convoy stops in the middle of a streetfight, while everybody else is ducking away.
That convoy had to have a sci-fi forcefield over it anyway, hence to the lack of damage they have riding in the middel of the street with 50+ rebels firing upon from all rooftops etc.
Check also: Battle of the Bulge mistakes, goofs and bloopers
and have a good :-)
What do you think of this Priest 'mock-up'? (Well, at least they did'ny use a Sexton or someting)
The worst AT THE MOMENT movie I find Black Hawk Down (sorry to all who loved it).
The reason is that you should aspect they made something good nowdays and so you do not accept a movie in which you see the MOVIE CREW IN THE VEHICELS more than once!
Not to mention the heroic, friendly and relaxed handshake between the officers on the middle of the street when the last escape convoy stops in the middle of a streetfight, while everybody else is ducking away.
That convoy had to have a sci-fi forcefield over it anyway, hence to the lack of damage they have riding in the middel of the street with 50+ rebels firing upon from all rooftops etc.
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Don't know if this counts as a war movie but Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen didn't appeal to me very much
Haha yeah I saw that movie on TV, two days ago
It really made me laugh lol.....that guy would NOT make it in the Navy Seals :-)
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Heart's war tops my list. Enemy at the Gates is among the top contenders also. Russians with British accents sort of ruin the whole effect.
Yes we Brits are Sooo much better at playing Germans. Maybe the day will come when there is a modern film made about the British in ww2 that doesn't write us off as overrated or dumb :-)
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IIRC the movie "When Trumpets Fade" is about the Hurtgen. Pretty good flick, too. Check it out if you get the chance.
you're right shaun it is, BUT just don't look too hard at the 'German armour' when it appears!
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I actually like "The Battle of the Bulge" yeah the tanks are wrong... the whole movie is wrong, but it is still highly entertaining & I love Robert Shaw's performance. If I'm not mistaken that movie would have given the M-47 tank more action then it ever saw anywhere except as targets on firing ranges...If there is one thing that can be taken from this movie, that should not be held accountable for lack of correct "props", is that it did an excellent job of portraying the grit and resilience of the Americans who got knocked on their (blanks) by the Germans and got back up. 
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Maybe the day will come when there is a modern film made about the British in ww2 that doesn't write us off as overrated or dumb
Well, I saw "Dad's Army; The Movie"... :-) :-) :-)
AJLaFleche
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As for accents... how about Achilles with an American accent... 'nuff sed...
Well, unless we're willing to read sub-titles or become fluent in ancient Greek, colloquial Russian and German of WW II, and a host of other languages and dialects, we'll have to live with accents to portray different languages.
As to using modern equipment to portray vintage stuff, people like us will always find fault with even very well done "conversions." (Look how closely we examine each new release, such as the new Sheridan. ) The general movie going public wouldn't know a Tiger from a Sherman, but at least Spiellberg tried to get it very close in SPR.
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 05:54 AM UTC
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film1114?singletype=factual
Saving private ryan actually has more factual errors than BotB :-) :-) :-) :-)
I think that is what they call Hollywood History lol
I only hope that future historians will not revert to hollywood movies as a source for information.
Saving private ryan actually has more factual errors than BotB :-) :-) :-) :-)
I think that is what they call Hollywood History lol
I only hope that future historians will not revert to hollywood movies as a source for information.
Halfyank
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 06:00 AM UTC
I turned onto THC late Saturday to see this stinker was on. When I quickly turned to another channel my asked me why, surprised I'd not want to watch ANY war movie. I couldn't tell her just what I didn't like about it, only that I hated it.
According to www.imdb.com, under trivia, the say "This film was denounced by former President (and Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during WW2) Dwight D. Eisenhower soon after its release in a press conference due to its glaring historical inaccuracies."
I'd put Pearl Harbor at the top of my personal Worst Of, along with BOTB, and also Thin Red Line.
According to www.imdb.com, under trivia, the say "This film was denounced by former President (and Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during WW2) Dwight D. Eisenhower soon after its release in a press conference due to its glaring historical inaccuracies."
I'd put Pearl Harbor at the top of my personal Worst Of, along with BOTB, and also Thin Red Line.
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Hmm....well Saving Private Ryan has twice as many errors. Does that make it bad too?
Sorry but Ridley Scott is a god (director wise). BHD was a masterful war movie and I have a hard time understanding how anyone could see it as "worst ever".
Cheers,
Jim
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I think some are confusing "rivet counting" with entertainment value. ALL movies are imperfect, its the nature of the beast. I read the "goofs" on Blackhawk Down and found many of them to be of the nit-picking type. The Oakley sunglasses were the wrong year...
I know SPR has errors - the bricks at Ramelle are the wrong size, the Tiger is actually a T-34 with a wooden Tiger Shell - the Mustang was not know as a "tank buster" it was the P-47, the tabs of the German uniforms should have been a different shade - yada, yada, yada -
If you watch movies to see the entertainment value and not obsess over the "nits" you will live longer .
By the way - I think the new Pearl Harbor is a stinker, but the attack (with all the flaws) really gives a sense of what happened. The CGI Arizona explosion is impressive.
I know SPR has errors - the bricks at Ramelle are the wrong size, the Tiger is actually a T-34 with a wooden Tiger Shell - the Mustang was not know as a "tank buster" it was the P-47, the tabs of the German uniforms should have been a different shade - yada, yada, yada -
If you watch movies to see the entertainment value and not obsess over the "nits" you will live longer .
By the way - I think the new Pearl Harbor is a stinker, but the attack (with all the flaws) really gives a sense of what happened. The CGI Arizona explosion is impressive.
Snowhand
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I think some are confusing "rivet counting" with entertainment value. ALL movies are imperfect, its the nature of the beast. I read the "goofs" on Blackhawk Down and found many of them to be of the nit-picking type. The Oakley sunglasses were the wrong year...
I know SPR has errors - the bricks at Ramelle are the wrong size, the Tiger is actually a T-34 with a wooden Tiger Shell - the Mustang was not know as a "tank buster" it was the P-47, the tabs of the German uniforms should have been a different shade - yada, yada, yada -
If you watch movies to see the entertainment value and not obsess over the "nits" you will live longer .
By the way - I think the new Pearl Harbor is a stinker, but the attack (with all the flaws) really gives a sense of what happened. The CGI Arizona explosion is impressive.
But we are rivet counters :-) :-) :-) :-)
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I think some are confusing "rivet counting" with entertainment value. ALL movies are imperfect, its the nature of the beast. I read the "goofs" on Blackhawk Down and found many of them to be of the nit-picking type. The Oakley sunglasses were the wrong year...
I know SPR has errors - the bricks at Ramelle are the wrong size, the Tiger is actually a T-34 with a wooden Tiger Shell - the Mustang was not know as a "tank buster" it was the P-47, the tabs of the German uniforms should have been a different shade - yada, yada, yada -
If you watch movies to see the entertainment value and not obsess over the "nits" you will live longer .
:-) :-) :-) I agree 100%...... Over anal rivet counting has proven to shorten the enjoyment of life, enjoyment of entertainment, and enjoyment of the HOBBY.
Ain't never been a "perfect kit, a perfect movie, or a perfectly written account of history...... I really hate to break that terrible news to you boys. It's All man interpretation of the facts, and NO man is perfect. (Although there are a hell of a lot who actually are delusionall and think they are!) Why sit and what a movie you are not liking, so you can piss and moan about it afterwards? That's why they invented the remote, and give you 300 other channels.
The funny thing is my father who fought in the Battle of the Bulge, always found the film as good entertainment. Perhaps he knew what was meant to be entertainment.
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