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What is OOTB coming to.....
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 04:25 AM UTC
Well,
After reading many a descrption of people's models, I have started to notice something that doesn't make much sense- to me anyway. You guys tell me if I am crazy or not #:-)
I will look at pictures of a model, and in the description, people will say - I built this model OOTB except.......some am tracks, or a little PE, or some scratch building, etc, etc, etc........
Now how can that be basically OOTB If you add AM stuff to a kit it is not OOTB So, not like it really matters, but I was just wondering why people say they built a model "basically" OOTB box when they really didn't

Just a half-baked thought :-)
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 04:33 AM UTC
Maybe because they pulled all the parts out of the box... :-) #:-)
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 05:00 AM UTC
This is always a hoot for judges at shows, "OOB with the addition of...."
Apparently, some people must think if it's not scrtachbuilt, it must be oob!
While each club and IPMS/USA allow some leeway, drilling barrels and filling seams, tape or decal seatbelts, switching out decals, thinning edges and filling motorization holes, etc., the basic idea it that you build and detail the model using parts from one model only with no additional stuff, scratchbuilt or commercially produced, added.
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 05:24 AM UTC
On a description form at a contest,I will put,'Stock kit,plus..."
That way the judges can expect to see the general kit,and can see my additions as added. (++) (++)
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 05:48 AM UTC

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This is always a hoot for judges at shows, "OOB with the addition of...."
Apparently, some people must think if it's not scrtachbuilt, it must be oob!
While each club and IPMS/USA allow some leeway, drilling barrels and filling seams, tape or decal seatbelts, switching out decals, thinning edges and filling motorization holes, etc., the basic idea it that you build and detail the model using parts from one model only with no additional stuff, scratchbuilt or commercially produced, added.

:-) :-) ok, being smart ass now but....

do paint and putty count ?????

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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 06:02 AM UTC
Paint and glue do not count. Putty does not count when used to hide seams and gaps. I am not sure about if you use it for construction like making zimmerit or building up the area of a turret or change the shape of an object in some way.
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 09:18 AM UTC
A different side of the question is,'"Where do I put my model if it was built OOTB but my skills,etc. make the kit a worthy general candidate? I personaly put all my stuff in the general category. That way I am in competition with most everyone.
capnjock

P.s. In a review or build, if something is added it is NOT OOTB!
capnjock
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 10:28 AM UTC

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Paint and glue do not count. Putty does not count when used to hide seams and gaps. I am not sure about if you use it for construction like making zimmerit or building up the area of a turret or change the shape of an object in some way.


IF used to change/ alter the shape of a turret for instance, or add zimmeritt this is not considered OOB.
On another subject, thinning trailing edges of wings, removing seam lines, filling sink marks/holes, changing decals, drilling out gun barrels, etc. are all perfectly acceptable as OOB. When thinning the trailing edges of a plane or drilling gun barrels,you are overcoming the limitations in the molding process and making the kit accurate. Same goes for the seams on main gear legs etc. As long as you don't alter anthing ie. reposition the flaps, re-scribe the entire kit, add PE/resin or scratch build anything. I think the IPMS gang allows for the addition of masking tape belts in a/c and still retains the OOB status. Might have changed recently, but I know they used to.
Its funny, but i have watched a guy competing at Nationals dump some major $$$$$ into a kit with PE/ resin etc. but didn't do the basics very well, only to come in behind some guy who built his kit OOB, and nailed the basics. It's about quality not quantity. Ok I'm done now. "Q"
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2005 - 02:49 PM UTC
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It's about quality not quantity. Ok I'm done now. "Q"


unless it's AMPS we're talking about, then the deepest wallet wins!

I am NOT trying to start a pre-nats pissing contest here, but we oughta just bite the 1/35th scale bullet and rename the org. "The Aftermarket Modeling and Preservation Society" and no this is not a 4-1 joke.

I know that ootb is an IPMS invention and not applicable to AMPS, but I've said it before and I'll say it again, for the AMPS intermediate builder is is ALMOST impossible to take a decent quality kit , build it out of the box, and score a gold (earning a promotion to Advanced) much less a silver.

I won't go quoting judging criteria here, but there are almost 3 full points per judge awarded for aftermarket additions to a kit, or 30% of the points!

I'm still going the 15th, and plan to have a good time no matter how many points my models score, but this has been a peeve of mine for some time now.

Mike
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 12:50 AM UTC
Hi Doug,
If you have seen the new Dragon Tiger I Initial, it give OOB a whole new meaning. I have a feeling Dragon will put some AM people on the sidelines with all the extras the give you for the price of a kit.
Look for OOB to be nothing like it used too.

Chris
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 02:38 AM UTC
Paint has to be included in the official designations and rules since it (generally) doesn't come in th ebox and some jamoke could argue his well dine, but unpainted, model should come ahead of one that was painted. It's like telling people not to use the hair dryer in the shower.
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 06:36 PM UTC
I myself believe the ones with all the after market do look better, but another thing with all them after market is, they got to put them on right, any screw up, will hurt their appearance a lot easier.

All the after market in the world can't fix a poorly put together model.

Kerry
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 07:10 PM UTC
Now I run very lite on additional stuff building most of my US tanks OOB, with the German I add a lot.like barrels, individual links and screens. I also like to bugger with the fenders...they are all so big they just beg for it. Of course with the new Dragon 3 in 1 Tigers I'll build them both OOB
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 07:14 PM UTC
Since I'm just too cheap or just can't get any AM locally, 90% of my kits are made from what I get out of the box it came from.

The extras I get are from my spares box. And they're mostly stowage or weapons. Like the extra .50 cal HMG spare I get from italeri is often better than the one I'm presently making. I do use soda can a lot for mud flaps and stowage frames. Copper wire as well to replace handle bars.
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2005 - 12:20 AM UTC
The one contest I attended (long time ago, admittedly) had a category for non-OOB, no AM. n other words, you got to go to town scratching details into the kit, but none of the bits were allowed to be purchased. Does this category still exist anywhere, or is it just too easy to cheat ("Sure, I made the master and molded the resin myself...")?

Mika
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2005 - 12:30 PM UTC

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I think the IPMS gang allows for the addition of masking tape belts in a/c and still retains the OOB status. Might have changed recently, but I know they used to.


They still allow this, which makes no sense at all.....If you add a seatbelt that wasn't in the original kit, it's not OOTB anymore ! Just another example of the aircraft bias in IPMS.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 09:13 AM UTC

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All the after market in the world can't fix a poorly put together model.


You sure said it! I have seen models with tons of extra crap added, and the builder did a poor job with the basics.........such a disappointment. If you can't do the basics -- nothing can save you model
Mu ha ha ha ha ha...... :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 09:41 AM UTC

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The one contest I attended (long time ago, admittedly) had a category for non-OOB, no AM. n other words, you got to go to town scratching details into the kit, but none of the bits were allowed to be purchased. Does this category still exist anywhere, or is it just too easy to cheat ("Sure, I made the master and molded the resin myself...")?


That's exactly what I've wondered. I get a kick out of adding other items, like paper or putty tents and bags, gauze camo nets, etc. Are those considered taboo if it's supposed to be OOTB? How about such things as figures? If the kit doesn't come with any can you not add them and still be OOTB?
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:54 PM UTC

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I get a kick out of adding other items, like paper or putty tents and bags, gauze camo nets, etc. Are those considered taboo if it's supposed to be OOTB? How about such things as figures? If the kit doesn't come with any can you not add them and still be OOTB?


IPMS says "It is not permitted to: vacuform, manufacture, or replace any part, or substitute parts from another kit; cut or separate canopies, surfaces, hatches, doors, etc. (no major surgury);..........add anything other than specified on the instruction sheet except as shown in section C"
Section C allows for the addition of rigging, antennae, and tape or decal seatbelts only...with no modeler or commercially made hardware (example: buckles). You may fill seams/gaps, drill guns, exhaust pipes or other openings, and thin kit supplied parts.

I would consider figures not from the original kit, and tents and bags exluded from OOTB going by those rules. Now why they would allow seatbelts to be made but not seat belt buckles I have no idea!
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