Siguro naman halos lahat sa inyo meron nito. Anong ginagamit nyo?
Ako nagcacanvass na ng mas magandang AB kaysa sa ginagamit ko ngayon eh.
Mas maganda ba yung mga AB's na binebenta sa artist airbrush tulad ng Badger at Iwata o yung sa mga modelers (Tamiya, Gunze Sangyo).
Which produces better results?
I need an AB capable of these:
-can do very thin lines
-double-action
-bottom/cup fed (whatever you call it, basta yung nasa bote na may straw)
-mas durable sya kahit enamels ang ginagamit
Thanks! I am canvassing for a good AB this Christmas.
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shonen_red

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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:22 AM UTC
buck

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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2003 - 03:50 AM UTC
I use a Tamiya Trigger-type HG AB. Makes very fine narrow lines and atomizes paint very nicely. Its made of very durable stainless steel and can handle any paint. Double-action, internal mix. Kaso, gravity- (top-)feed siya. There is also a Superfine model without the trigger pero gravity-feed din.
Some modelers swear by Iwata. Some say they make some of the finest ABs available. Am not very familiar with them, though.
Ive had the opportunity to use a Badger 350. Bottom-feed, single action. Bottle and siphon, yes, but in my experience, the bottle and siphon system results in paint clogs. Plus, its a little more expensive to use paint-wise as you have to keep the paint level up or else the siphon wont be able to reach it at certain angles. I understand the model 200 is much better, but I am not sure about the spray quality.
Ive heard a lot of bad things about the Aztec (sorry sa mga users nito). Among the most common complaints Ive heard is that the plastic components cant handle lacquer paints and thinner. Some say that its just not worth the price.
Hope this helps.
Some modelers swear by Iwata. Some say they make some of the finest ABs available. Am not very familiar with them, though.
Ive had the opportunity to use a Badger 350. Bottom-feed, single action. Bottle and siphon, yes, but in my experience, the bottle and siphon system results in paint clogs. Plus, its a little more expensive to use paint-wise as you have to keep the paint level up or else the siphon wont be able to reach it at certain angles. I understand the model 200 is much better, but I am not sure about the spray quality.
Ive heard a lot of bad things about the Aztec (sorry sa mga users nito). Among the most common complaints Ive heard is that the plastic components cant handle lacquer paints and thinner. Some say that its just not worth the price.
Hope this helps.
cardinal

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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2003 - 05:20 AM UTC
Back there I had a single action, bottom feed Gunze AB. It wuz ok. I didn't have a compressor then & I was using canned air(if that's the term for it
). Recently I bought me a Badger 750, it's a double action, bottom feed AB. I haven't used it yet pending the purchase of a compressor but I read good reviews for it. Iwata, as I've heard it is the best of the AB but they're expensive. Lately Aztek hasn't had a good feedback, but many modelers use it because it's also affordable. If you have the budget, I recommend that you get a good quality AB.
). Recently I bought me a Badger 750, it's a double action, bottom feed AB. I haven't used it yet pending the purchase of a compressor but I read good reviews for it. Iwata, as I've heard it is the best of the AB but they're expensive. Lately Aztek hasn't had a good feedback, but many modelers use it because it's also affordable. If you have the budget, I recommend that you get a good quality AB.
cardinal

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 11:54 AM UTC
I just got my Jan. 2004 issue of FSM & there's a topic there: choosing your 1st AB. If you still haven't decided about what AB to buy maybe you should grab a copy ASAP.
blitz

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 12:54 PM UTC
Thanx, Cardinal.. I'm planning getting an Iwata"Revolution" airbrush.. but Aztec came out with their new stainless body.Somehow ,I had problems with their plastic body, which I use from my previous work, It was damaged in less than 6 mos.( I think we clogged it Acrylic "Automotive" Paint) So our company's solution get a new one(hehe).. Still I really felt that Aztec was so light, unlike the Badger 150,it has the right weight and feel snd it's practical since parts are easily available ..It's like the Toyota of "Airbrush"
blitz

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 01:04 PM UTC
here's an image of Iwata "Revolution"
warthog

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Posted: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 05:19 PM UTC
I'm using a Badger 175 Crescendo. The set I bought comes with add'l two needles F(fine) and L(large). Its a double action AB bottom feed. I got my AB from St. Patrick's store located in Pasong Tamo. The same set is also sold in Nat'l Bookstore, I think it costs 6K. St. Patrick also carries other Badger ABs.
cardinal

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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 12:25 PM UTC
No kidding Warthog, 6K? I got the Badger Crescendo 175 complete set from Dixie Art for $70 that's roughly around 4K only.
shonen_red

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Posted: Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 07:52 PM UTC
Ei guys! I saw this on National Bookstore SM Southmall. Both of them cost 6k. Badger 150 and 175. Opinions please?
GIBeregovoy

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Posted: Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 11:04 PM UTC
CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! CRE - SCEN - DO! HEHEHEHE
cardinal

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Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 03:51 AM UTC
I agree with GI. I've started using mine & I have no complaints about it. Do they sell the complete set there? If they do maybe it's best that you buy that one.
shonen_red

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Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 03:59 AM UTC
The same thing you have. Yeah that's it. The Badger 150 comes in a wooden case. AFAIK, it's set 5 as mentioned in their website
warthog

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Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 05:40 PM UTC
Cardinal: The AB pic you posted is the same as mine. Yup, it cost almost 6k pesos-maryosep ang mahal. Anyway, its worth the price. I even got nyself a badger whirwind -80 II compressor -- dont ask about the price coz I want to forget about it.
cardinal

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Posted: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 02:11 PM UTC
Whoa! They really cost huh? Okay warthog, I'm not gona ask.
A compressor like that cost over $100 here.Anyway just think of it as an investment & of the satisfaction you get as a return. :-)
A compressor like that cost over $100 here.Anyway just think of it as an investment & of the satisfaction you get as a return. :-) warthog

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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 01:50 PM UTC
The compressor was bought in US vallejo CA. Yup, its approx. $100+ exclusive of tax....
cardinal

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Posted: Friday, December 19, 2003 - 09:22 AM UTC
Well sometimes we have to pay the price inorder to be satisfied.
LaTtEX

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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 - 04:29 AM UTC
What's everyone's take on the basic Tamiya AB set?
El-Jefe

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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 05:01 PM UTC
I have been using my Tamiya Basic Spraywork for 11 years and it's still working fine. Ofcourse now I use a different compressor -- an old airconditioner compressor. It's silent and can handle two to three airbrushes at the same time. I just added some home made water traps and my own version of a regulator. -- but my old spray work compressor is still working although it may wake up the neighbors at night time.
Going back to the Tamiya gun type basic spraywork, it good for general painting and I have had good results with it. It very easy to clean and take apart and you can buy spare parts at Lil's. (Makati and Megamall). The trick there is the mixing ratios and air pressure. I use all sorts of paint from enamels, lacquers, auto-acrylic and have tried cleaning it with different types of thinners as well. Some members of IPMS Phils: BAC can do wonders with this airbrush and can even do tight and smooth camo patters. Bigman uses the basic spraywork but produces excellent results with it.
For fine lines, snake pattersn and mottling (usually for German WWII a/c, IJA /ac and others), I use the Tamiya HG Super Fine. Its a pen type, gravity fed, metal parts and easy to clean. It has an adaptor so you can use your old basic spray works compressor or even the powerful Vespa ones. Its one of the best airbrushes I have used and atmomizes the paint very well. The nice thing about it is that I dont really need to mix a lot of paint just to get the job done.
FWIW,
El Jefe
Going back to the Tamiya gun type basic spraywork, it good for general painting and I have had good results with it. It very easy to clean and take apart and you can buy spare parts at Lil's. (Makati and Megamall). The trick there is the mixing ratios and air pressure. I use all sorts of paint from enamels, lacquers, auto-acrylic and have tried cleaning it with different types of thinners as well. Some members of IPMS Phils: BAC can do wonders with this airbrush and can even do tight and smooth camo patters. Bigman uses the basic spraywork but produces excellent results with it.
For fine lines, snake pattersn and mottling (usually for German WWII a/c, IJA /ac and others), I use the Tamiya HG Super Fine. Its a pen type, gravity fed, metal parts and easy to clean. It has an adaptor so you can use your old basic spray works compressor or even the powerful Vespa ones. Its one of the best airbrushes I have used and atmomizes the paint very well. The nice thing about it is that I dont really need to mix a lot of paint just to get the job done.
FWIW,
El Jefe
Wanze

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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 10:32 PM UTC
Hi El-Jefe,
My trusty 6 year old thpmson compressor is damn too noisy. I was wondering how you were able to convert a fridge compressor for airbrush use. I would like to replace my old one with a cheaper alternative.
My trusty 6 year old thpmson compressor is damn too noisy. I was wondering how you were able to convert a fridge compressor for airbrush use. I would like to replace my old one with a cheaper alternative.
buck

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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 02:09 AM UTC
Hey there Bossman!
Tamiya HG rules!! Very nice rig. Very sturdy, stainless steel and all. And cleaning takes all of about 30 secs.
Tamiya HG rules!! Very nice rig. Very sturdy, stainless steel and all. And cleaning takes all of about 30 secs.
Wanze

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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 05:53 PM UTC
Since everyone is singing praises on the Tamiya HG, I might get myself one in the near future. I am still deciding wheter to get the HG Superfine one for 1/72 fine paintwork. Since this is beyond my regular budget, I have to ask the wife for her opinion. Sheeesh, I did't have to worry about this budget thing when I was single.
Uh oh, I just remembered my order from JMN, the budget has really got thrown out of the window. Have to earn additional cash for all of these purchases. I wonder how much my liver would go for? LOL!!
Uh oh, I just remembered my order from JMN, the budget has really got thrown out of the window. Have to earn additional cash for all of these purchases. I wonder how much my liver would go for? LOL!!
jomz

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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 02:22 AM UTC
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Since everyone is singing praises on the Tamiya HG, I might get myself one in the near future. I am still deciding wheter to get the HG Superfine one for 1/72 fine paintwork. Since this is beyond my regular budget, I have to ask the wife for her opinion. Sheeesh, I did't have to worry about this budget thing when I was single.
Uh oh, I just remembered my order from JMN, the budget has really got thrown out of the window. Have to earn additional cash for all of these purchases. I wonder how much my liver would go for? LOL!!
Sir Wanze, where'll you get the AB? For how much ren? If I may ask, I'm also thinking of getting an AB soon.
LaTtEX

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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 12:27 AM UTC
I just bought myself the Tamiya Spray Works airbrush+compressor set. hopefully this would be the start of something beautiful #:-)
Lil's Makati sells 3 types of Tamiya HG airbrushes. The basic one at 688 pesos is similar to the airbrush that comes with the set in terms of capabilities, but is made of steel. The Fine and SuperFine HG airbrushes however, come at around 4000 and 5000 pesos respectively. Scary, looking at that price tag
Lil's Makati sells 3 types of Tamiya HG airbrushes. The basic one at 688 pesos is similar to the airbrush that comes with the set in terms of capabilities, but is made of steel. The Fine and SuperFine HG airbrushes however, come at around 4000 and 5000 pesos respectively. Scary, looking at that price tag
Wanze

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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 02:25 PM UTC
Hi Jomz,
Sorry again for the late response but Lattex is right on the money for the AB prices. Grabe ang price but they said it's worth every centavo for the quality. Since you're buying one for the first time, the Sprayworks is the best investment in the long run. At least, it's in one neat package (compressor and AB) and the new model is suppose to be less noisy than the first gen.
Sorry again for the late response but Lattex is right on the money for the AB prices. Grabe ang price but they said it's worth every centavo for the quality. Since you're buying one for the first time, the Sprayworks is the best investment in the long run. At least, it's in one neat package (compressor and AB) and the new model is suppose to be less noisy than the first gen.
LaTtEX

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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 03:02 PM UTC
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Hi Jomz,
Sorry again for the late response but Lattex is right on the money for the AB prices. Grabe ang price but they said it's worth every centavo for the quality. Since you're buying one for the first time, the Sprayworks is the best investment in the long run. At least, it's in one neat package (compressor and AB) and the new model is suppose to be less noisy than the first gen.
The newer Tamiya compressor is quiet enough, comparable to the sound level of a modern sewing machine. Noisy, but not so noisy that your neighbor would take out his shotgun or something.
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