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Which Single Weapon Did the Most to End WWII?
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 04:38 AM UTC
Patton contended the M-1 Garand rifle was the greatest infantry weapon afield because with it a rifle squad could lay down a fuselade as if not more effective then a squad of bolt-action riflemen with a machine-gun or two.

My vote is for the Atomic Bomb.

Besides the obvious nuking of Japan, the lost and wasted resources dedicated to the German development for the same weapon as our Manhatten Project cost them a lot, including diverting an entire fleet of He-177 bombers to Norway to be equipped as atomic bombers, which the Allies shot to bits while they were still on the ground!

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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 01:33 PM UTC
My vote for the best weapon to end WW2 is the soldier. Think about it, without a soldier war cannot be won. To me a soldier is the most powerful weapon.
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 03:45 PM UTC
Yup, Im with martin here, it does not matter about the weapon, but the everday soldier itself
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2010 - 12:22 AM UTC
I agree it was the soldier.

but I think the best weapon in the U.S. G.I.'s arsenal was initiative.
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Posted: Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 12:33 PM UTC
If you're discussing this on the basis of only 'weapons' and not the sailor, soldier or airmen type of weapon and their associated skills and initiative; then I'd have to say that the the atom bomb was responsible for bringing about a swift and decisive end to the war. Every weapon is only as good as the one who uses it so I'll go along with Ed on this one.


Here's a few other favourite weapons I could mention:

Thompson machine gun
M1 Garand rifle
Lee Enfield rifle
Hedgehog AS mortar
ASDIC (maybe not so much a weapon as a technology advancement...?)
Firefly Vc tank (plus the Sherman tank in general)

There are many more but these are my main ones.




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Posted: Monday, April 05, 2010 - 02:33 AM UTC
If we're talking strictly weapons, then I'd agree it was the soldiers. However, overall I'd say it was the Liberty ship and the 2 1/2 ton truck that truly won the war, the best trained soldiers in the world can't win without ammo, chow etc.
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Posted: Monday, April 05, 2010 - 06:34 AM UTC
Not to forget the fighter aircraft that won air supremacy, without air supremacy no invasion... Just couldn't say which one did the most. Spitfire? P-40? Lavotchkin? P-47?

Of course without sea power no invasion either... And of course all weapons are just chunks of metal without the men to use them.

Cheers!
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Posted: Monday, April 05, 2010 - 02:54 PM UTC
It was Rosie the Riveter.............Al
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Posted: Monday, April 05, 2010 - 08:37 PM UTC
A-bomb?
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 06:26 PM UTC
What won WWII wasn't weapons, it was Liberty and Victory ships, LST's, 2.5-ton GMC trucks, C-47's and Jeeps.
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Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 - 03:42 PM UTC
Correct Mark...and all made by Rosie the Riveter . She , being the most formidable weapon......... ......Al
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Posted: Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 06:58 AM UTC
Yes, I do understand the importance of the men that operated them, as Bob pointed out, the specific subject here is the weapon they used.

I do think in modern warfare speers and the bow-and-arrow were outclassed even in WWII, say by the M-1 Garand and the 1911 45 auto, or the 45 Thompson, etc.

I think we all understand the bravery and tenacity shown in hand-to-hand combat, but that alone, being very basic by nature was not enough to impress those who lived at the Imperial palace in Japan.

On the other hand,if we want to focus on the men as well, then I vote for Col. Paul Tibbets, the driver of the B-29 that nuked Heroshima, as well as Major Charles W. Sweeney who comanded Bocks Car.

On the other hand, if we re-focus on the weapon/weapons system, then there is the B-29.

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Posted: Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 09:17 AM UTC
I think all of you are as much wrong as your as much right! It's quite common knowledge that what won WWII was the U.S. manufacturing. They were spitting out Liberty ships every few days, and they Germans could get enough torpedos in the ocean to stop them, let alone make a hit everytime they fired one. The same goes with the B17 & B24 bombers. They built more bombers than there were pilots to shoot them down. The automobile factories in the USA and the tank factories in Russia turned out tanks so fast that the Germans couldn't supply ammo fast enough to knock them out. So if you want to thank somebody, thank an old lady that used to work in a war plant, or a tool maker that was forced to stay back here to get the parts out the door. The samething holds true in the PTO. The Japanese had pretty good ships and planes at the start of the war, but could not replace them. We just kept filling up ship's holds as fast as they docked them. So my hat's off to those women that built B29's and B24's 24/7 without a whimper
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 07:58 AM UTC
There is only one way to win a war and that is by destroying the enemy. The biggest cause of casualties to enemy troops in WWII wasn't bullets but artillary. While Soviet artillary in general was something to be feared due to their overwelming numbers (which is key) a few type stand out. The Katyusha rocket launchers, while not very accurate (don't need to be when you can launch hundreds of rockets over the area), were very effective especially when used in battery strength. The Soviets ZIS-3 76.2mm Field Gun was also a highly effective weapon. Just some food for thought.

Roy
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 10:22 AM UTC
I agree with everyone, but we need to clarify...are we talking about the most important piece of hardware, or the most important weapon? Soldiers (at least to the generals) are considered weapons...

My vote for the most important piece of non-living, non-biological equipment has to be the 500lb General Purpose bomb, the 30.06cal rifle round, and the .50cal round. Without those, we'd be throwing rocks.

Of course, the M1, CCKW, Jeep, C-47, B-17, B-24, P-51, Fletcher Class destroyer, Essex Class carrier...the list is endless really...hell, we could even say that the most important weapon of WW2 was the decoding of Ultra and Orange, or a box of rations...there's valid arguments for all of them.

Its kinda like saying what's the best beer out there? No one is going to agree as we all think _____________ is the best beer.

J

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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 03:03 PM UTC

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I think all of you are as much wrong as your as much right! It's quite common knowledge that what won WWII was the U.S. manufacturing. They were spitting out Liberty ships every few days, and they Germans could get enough torpedos in the ocean to stop them, let alone make a hit everytime they fired one. The same goes with the B17 & B24 bombers. They built more bombers than there were pilots to shoot them down. The automobile factories in the USA and the tank factories in Russia turned out tanks so fast that the Germans couldn't supply ammo fast enough to knock them out. So if you want to thank somebody, thank an old lady that used to work in a war plant, or a tool maker that was forced to stay back here to get the parts out the door. The samething holds true in the PTO. The Japanese had pretty good ships and planes at the start of the war, but could not replace them. We just kept filling up ship's holds as fast as they docked them. So my hat's off to those women that built B29's and B24's 24/7 without a whimper
gary



Excellent post, although I think it only holds true for the Pacific. In Europe the Russians had the Germans stopped before they were receiving any appreciable lend-lease supplies. If you have a look at the tables, it doesn't really ramp up until 1943, and by the end of 1942 Moscow had been defended and Stalingrad was won. It was all downhill for the Germans from there, lend lease or not.

What lendlease did was give the Russians the trucks to better supply offensives, thereby helping them ram home the advantage already accrued and speeding the end of the war, so it is still a contributing factor.

So, if we can broaden the categories of "Weapons" a little, how about the Russian winter and the stubborness of the Russian soldier in general?

Or, if not....ummm....how about the 76mm and 122mm Russian artillery pieces? The Russians did by far the bulk of the heavy lifting against the Germans, and the artillery was the Russian God of War.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 02:50 PM UTC
In my opinion it was the Atomic Bomb that ended the war in the Pacific. And to that measure it was also MacArthur that allowed Hirohito to remain as a head of state to allow a peaceful occupation of Japan. Hirohito was a mere figure head under the control of the Americans, but provided stability to Japan who place immense faith in thier mortal God...Hirohito.
So yes there are many contributing factors to the campaign in the Pacific....but I think the actual mechanism that ended the war was the Atomic Bomb which was sufficient to cause the Emperor to think about the survival of his people.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 12:55 AM UTC
Although I'm an armor modeler & would like to argue that this or that tank was the deciding factor in ending the war it was actually, IMHO, the airplane that caused the ultimate destruction of the Axis (primarily Germany and Japan).

Air power was used to get behind enemy lines and cripple war production, infrastructure, and destroy the enemy's air force. To a lesser extent it also helped to erode the enemy's morale and will to fight.

Without the Allies' air superiority the war might have been won eventually but at a much higher cost in human life and materiel.

Just my two cents.


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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 01:25 AM UTC
In Europe, it was the Russian artillery and tanks. Russia built 30,000+ T-34's alone, not to mention the BT series, KV series, IS series, etc. The Western Allies quickened the defeat of the Germans, but Russia would have done it given more time without our help.

In the Pacific, it was incendiary bombs. The atomic bomb was the last straw, but it was the firestorms created by the B-29s over Japan that really destroyed them as far as a war-making country.

The German effort of the atomic bomb was not a huge expense to the Germans. They also never got that close. I would recommend anyone read Richard Rhodes, "The Making of the Atomic Bomb", for a great story and history lesson.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 05:33 AM UTC
We think of the A bomb as a weapon, thus the term nuclear weapon. However, if you really think about it , the A bomb is a bomb, is a bomb ,is a bomb. Just like any other bomb it is dropped and it goes boom. A much bigger BOOM perhaps , but wouldn't it be considered more of a munition than a weapon? A rifle is a weapon. The ammo is not a weapon, it is a munition. So would any bomb be a munition or a weapon ? Not to seem argumentative.......just wondering. What do you think ? ................ ...........Al
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 01:31 PM UTC

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We think of the A bomb as a weapon, thus the term nuclear weapon. However, if you really think about it , the A bomb is a bomb, is a bomb ,is a bomb. Just like any other bomb it is dropped and it goes boom. A much bigger BOOM perhaps , but wouldn't it be considered more of a munition than a weapon? A rifle is a weapon. The ammo is not a weapon, it is a munition. So would any bomb be a munition or a weapon ? Not to seem argumentative.......just wondering. What do you think ? ................ ...........Al



So the US went into Iraq looking for MMD's? Munitions of Mass Destruction?
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 02:48 PM UTC
What's in a name anyway ? Had someone coined the phrase munitions of mass destruction from the onset, they would probably be more correct than to say weapons of mass destruction. The world got used to calling (the bomb) a weapon and not a munition. But anyway, I still say that Rosey the Riveter won the war....... ............. Al......(edit) and by the way Jesse, I heard you guys in Georgia are gonna freeze your butts off this Sunday. Just got back from Warm Springs....got family there.
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Posted: Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 01:19 AM UTC

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What's in a name anyway ? Had someone coined the phrase munitions of mass destruction from the onset, they would probably be more correct than to say weapons of mass destruction. The world got used to calling (the bomb) a weapon and not a munition. But anyway, I still say that Rosey the Riveter won the war....... ............. Al......(edit) and by the way Jesse, I heard you guys in Georgia are gonna freeze your butts off this Sunday. Just got back from Warm Springs....got family there.



I was down in Warm Springs for a work meeting on Tuesday. We're doing a couple of projects at the Roosevelt Center.

And yeah... gonna be a cold one. Actually make it feel like Christmas I guess.
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 09:57 PM UTC
RADAR & Intelligence - without knowing where your enemy is and what his strength is, then all of the jeeps, rifles, A bombs etc in the world wouldn't have won.

Without Radar, many more ships would have been resting on the seabed, and without the ability to crack ENIGMA, much more would have been lost in every theatre.