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sarge
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:15 PM UTC
hi guys
after seeing all the superb work on this site i have been inspired to give pe a try .i,m going to build a panzer iii {tamiya}with pe , but i have never used this stuff . is there an online tutorial ?? do any of you guys have any advice for a first time user ?i.e. whats the best kits , wat to use for folding etc
thanks in advance
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:22 PM UTC
Sarge,

Maybe this link will get you in the good direction?

http://www.eduard.cz/info/colin.html
sarge
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:28 PM UTC
wow !!!!!!!!!!!! thats a fast reply ,so typical of you guys , and thanks roadkill think thats going to be a great help have a beer on me
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:43 PM UTC
Sarge,
Eduard is a good starting point. Might want to check out the review on the PE tools also. I have a Hold and Fold. Best investment I made in regards to using PE. Between the Tamiya kit and the Eduard PE you should be set. Both are quality products. "Q" Playing tag with the Iraqis
slodder
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:52 PM UTC
Patience, Patience, and more Patience.

As far as any tips. Here is one that I struggled through my first PE go round.

With plastic it is fairly easy to use glue and hold the parts. They were designed to go together pretty easy (especially Tamiya).
With PE very many times you're dealing with itty bittty parts, CA with short work times and tight sweezes.
So - what I do is get all parts clipped, files, folded, prepped first. I test fit then I test fit again. Then I kinda go nuts and test it again.
If I can I will clip the receiving piece into a 3rd hand tool (not always easy).
I have a small scarp piece of foil or tile, something smooth and I drop one drop of CA on it. I take a piece of hobby wire and dip it in the drop. Then apply the CA to the receiving piece.
I then (using itty bitty tweezers) take the mating piece and place it on the glue. I try to use gravity as much as possible. I position the receiving piece as parallel to the ground as possible that way I don't have to worry about holding two pieces together.

Here are some more!

Couple other things - WATCH OUT FOR TWEEZER LAUNCH!!! Clean the floor and bench before you start working. It'll make finding the part easier. Be gentle.

Do your homework. I found that while the PE is very detailed it may not be totally correct. Research any questionable fit. I do more home work with PE than anything else.

One thing I do with PE is go through the kit instructions and highlight (circle) each part/assembly that will be affected/altered by PE before I do anything. That way I won't forget that I need to change my process.

Other tools you'll need (or that will be helpfull) a dremel/grinding tool to remove the plastic parts. Nice files for plastic.

Last tip - Ask questions!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 04:06 AM UTC
A couple practical tips- (can't say much on armor, only done 1/700 ships)
I have to agree with Slodder. Clean the floor and table and even consider putting a sheet down or something the opposite color of what you paint your PE. I've spent too much time looking for a tiny piece I accidently dropped.

Also, wear eye protection as small PE has a tendency to fly if you aren't careful. try and hold it down with a finger when cutting. Buying a pair of those magnification reading glasses helped with safety and seeing the delicate work.

One last tip: When you feel yourself start to get tired, stop and switch to another task. Once you get a little fatigued is when you start making sloppy bends and mis-sizing things or worse. You get really absorbed in the fine details and this is always my downfall.

Have fun. It's a great way to really bring a model to life.

Cheers,
Ghengis
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 04:24 AM UTC
I have tried PE twice now, and Im hooked, every thing these guys are saying is true, and seeing everyone elses opinions it makes it painfully clear that PE was invented by an evil geneious

Bender
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 04:30 AM UTC
Slodder, what type tip do you use in your dremel to grind away the plastic best? Sanding drums or are the grinder tips the best on the plastic? Or does the tip matter as much as just going very slow, so as not to melt the model?
slodder
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 04:51 AM UTC
I got a set of bits from MicroMark it has 15 or so in it. They are all very small. I use whichever will fit in the space I'm grinding.
The most common one is the long skinny one.
This link shows the shape - I honestly don't know the diameter off the top of my head.
http://carvingtools.net/diamrotcutto.html

I use ones like the needle and the flame on the page above.
sarge
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 08:31 AM UTC
i would just like to thank all you guys theres some superb advice in there
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 09:20 AM UTC
Sarge,
Here is the link to another article that you might find useful, it is from the Dutch Armor Association website. http://www.scalemodelindex.com/clubs.htm All the advice above is good stuff so I won't repeat any thing except, PATIENCE, especially when just beginning this stuff. Oh and in my experience the Eduard sets are usually easier to use, Aber sets are really comprehensive, but they can sometimes be mind-bending to assemble. (yeah I know it's a bad joke but I couldn't resist)

Good luck and enjoy,
Mike

Kelley
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 09:29 AM UTC
Sorry Sarge the link I posted above went to the wrong place, I tried to edit it but it won't let me so I'll post it here.

http://www.twenot.nl/photo1.htm

I think this one should work.
Mike
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