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Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 01:50 AM UTC

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Why not build your Zelda and we'll display them together in the next show? I'm building mine as the comm version. You can do the Toga version



To be bloody honest, I don't have the heart to do Zelda anymore. She sits there, alone. Yeah, she's pretty, but there's that sexy Challenger I and her younger, better sister - Challenger II. And, oh yeah, there's also the lovely M1A2 to become an SEP, and that darling of a T-80UD just crying out to become a T-80UM-2 with Drozd-2 active defense system...

SR - I find AC intimidating because of all the work I need to do, plus their size - particularly in the 1/48 scale. Although armor has more and sometimes even smaller parts than AC, in AC construction, you have to be extra careful with the fuselage, the cockpit, the canopy, the leading edges of the wings, etc. etc. Then there's also the paint job. Armor is easier to paint, while AC - especially when producing sharp-edged camo schemes - I find it hard.

If I ever go back to AC, it'll be in 1/72 this time, as they're just the right size for me palms, as well as not as overwhelming as 1/48. BTW, 1/48 modern AC can be way bigger than 1/35 armor, but many 1/72 modern AC are the same size (not scale wise, but physically) to armor.

Hence, my being intimidated and overwhelmed by AC.
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Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 02:56 AM UTC

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Why not build your Zelda and we'll display them together in the next show? I'm building mine as the comm version. You can do the Toga version



To be bloody honest, I don't have the heart to do Zelda anymore. She sits there, alone. Yeah, she's pretty, but there's that sexy Challenger I and her younger, better sister - Challenger II. And, oh yeah, there's also the lovely M1A2 to become an SEP, and that darling of a T-80UD just crying out to become a T-80UM-2 with Drozd-2 active defense system...

SR - I find AC intimidating because of all the work I need to do, plus their size - particularly in the 1/48 scale. Although armor has more and sometimes even smaller parts than AC, in AC construction, you have to be extra careful with the fuselage, the cockpit, the canopy, the leading edges of the wings, etc. etc. Then there's also the paint job. Armor is easier to paint, while AC - especially when producing sharp-edged camo schemes - I find it hard.

If I ever go back to AC, it'll be in 1/72 this time, as they're just the right size for me palms, as well as not as overwhelming as 1/48. BTW, 1/48 modern AC can be way bigger than 1/35 armor, but many 1/72 modern AC are the same size (not scale wise, but physically) to armor.

Hence, my being intimidated and overwhelmed by AC.



I wanna try armor too. I just need to get that "secret technique" to make things good
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Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 03:35 AM UTC

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Why not build your Zelda and we'll display them together in the next show? I'm building mine as the comm version. You can do the Toga version



To be bloody honest, I don't have the heart to do Zelda anymore. She sits there, alone. Yeah, she's pretty, but there's that sexy Challenger I and her younger, better sister - Challenger II. And, oh yeah, there's also the lovely M1A2 to become an SEP, and that darling of a T-80UD just crying out to become a T-80UM-2 with Drozd-2 active defense system...

SR - I find AC intimidating because of all the work I need to do, plus their size - particularly in the 1/48 scale. Although armor has more and sometimes even smaller parts than AC, in AC construction, you have to be extra careful with the fuselage, the cockpit, the canopy, the leading edges of the wings, etc. etc. Then there's also the paint job. Armor is easier to paint, while AC - especially when producing sharp-edged camo schemes - I find it hard.

If I ever go back to AC, it'll be in 1/72 this time, as they're just the right size for me palms, as well as not as overwhelming as 1/48. BTW, 1/48 modern AC can be way bigger than 1/35 armor, but many 1/72 modern AC are the same size (not scale wise, but physically) to armor.

Hence, my being intimidated and overwhelmed by AC.



Di ko lang kaya sa armor kung paano ko gagawin yung camo nya eh. Sa AC, hard camo are done with masking while soft camo are done freehand with AB.
GIBeregovoy
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Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 02:21 PM UTC
There is no 'secret technique' in armor. I guess the thing that makes armor look good is proper washing and dry brushing which brings out the details. Unlike AC where one is presented with a mostly smooth surface, the detail limited to a few 'bumps' (e.g. grills, antennae, etc.) and panel lines, with most of very details concentrated on the cockpit area - you have seen what Crismag has done to his F-15, right?

Re:AC camo, my problem with hard-edges is the masking itself. I almost always mess up with tape masking. It either 1) not snug hence some leaks, 2) it leaves a sticky surface which - without the proper solution - is hard to remove, and 3) it can lift the paint on a surface that has been previously painted. Of course, with the proper airbrush tip size (fine tip most probably), you can make almost hard-edged camo schemes. Same thing goes with armor. Problem with armor in camo is the masking - unless you use a liquid mask, but that is sometimes notorious for not following your intended pattern as it seeps through other areas by capillary action. My M1A2s were painted without the benefit of any mask, using my airbrush. You can make relatively hard-edges with an airbrush free hand without masking. Nice thing about armor is you can weather it really good - although, yes, weathering should not be an excuse to hide errors in painting and construction.
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Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 02:25 PM UTC
Warthog, while I was at Tagaytay yesterday, I came upon a plant on a pot that would be perfect to simulate pine trees. It is just about the right size. Unfortunately, I was unable to get its name. Check out the garden shops to see what biologicals can be used. Before, I used to think of simulating trees using bonsai plants of the appropriate size - trunk and leaves.
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Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 11:56 PM UTC

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There is no 'secret technique' in armor. I guess the thing that makes armor look good is proper washing and dry brushing which brings out the details. Unlike AC where one is presented with a mostly smooth surface, the detail limited to a few 'bumps' (e.g. grills, antennae, etc.) and panel lines, with most of very details concentrated on the cockpit area - you have seen what Crismag has done to his F-15, right?

Re:AC camo, my problem with hard-edges is the masking itself. I almost always mess up with tape masking. It either 1) not snug hence some leaks, 2) it leaves a sticky surface which - without the proper solution - is hard to remove, and 3) it can lift the paint on a surface that has been previously painted. Of course, with the proper airbrush tip size (fine tip most probably), you can make almost hard-edged camo schemes. Same thing goes with armor. Problem with armor in camo is the masking - unless you use a liquid mask, but that is sometimes notorious for not following your intended pattern as it seeps through other areas by capillary action. My M1A2s were painted without the benefit of any mask, using my airbrush. You can make relatively hard-edges with an airbrush free hand without masking. Nice thing about armor is you can weather it really good - although, yes, weathering should not be an excuse to hide errors in painting and construction.



Ayoko lang sa armor, it's hell inside. Lots of interior and extra details. Tried to buy one but the price was high. Siguro unahin ko na lang muna yung Falcon, Nighthawk at Thunderbolt II sa Accurate :-)
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Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 12:20 PM UTC
Not actually all have interior details. The Wespe do have interior details that I hated -- I broke some of them during assembly -- I even lost 1 part. Tanks with turrets do not have that much interior details -- if ever there are, it is actually specified in the box. I think the Eduard (brand) of armor have interior details and they are also made of etched material (similar to electronic boards).

I was in Accurate last Sunday looking for something to buy (good I did not buy anything kasi galit na misis ko inuubos ko daw pera ko).

Goodluck on your ACs.
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Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 02:26 PM UTC
Shonnen: I read your post "First Time Tank Modeler", and some of replies describes the basic requirements or activites for AFV modelling. For me the hardest part of AFV modelling to think of how to make the tank look battle tested, weather ravaged, etc... in short realistic.



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I think the main difference will be in weathering. Even a brand new tank had a lot of weathering, especially on the track and suspension. You will also find that how you approach the building process will be fundamentally different. You will want to determine what to paint and when. There are a lot more details to add to most tanks than planes. You need to figure out whether to assemble before or after painting and should you put the stowage on before you paint it. I think planes take less time to build and about the same time to paint, but I think the process of building tanks is more complicated than building planes. There is also a larger variety of AM stuff for tanks. Not quantity or availability, but variety. You have full interior sets, pe sets, stowage, tracks, barrels, tow cables, figures, engines, you name it. And the variety within tanks themselves is greater and more evident. You really need to sit down before hand and figure out exactly what you want to do with a tank.



If you need some additonal ideas I could help .....
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Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 02:37 PM UTC
I love interior details! Ever since GI sold me a Zelda I got hooked! Interiors are not for everyone though. They take a lot of time and most of it can't be seen anyway. APCs are a different matter though because if you want to open the infantry hatch at the back you have to have an interior.

Most Tamiya tanks don't have interiors. Most Academy tanks do. An interiorless Tamiya tank goes for at least a thousand bucks. An Academy tank with all the options goes for half that. It all boils down to value for money.
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Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 10:13 PM UTC
My rule of thumb in interiors is: if you can't see it, don't build it. (I was influenced by Shep Paine's books ) Hence, all of my armor have their hatches closed. Am I a wimp or what?

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Posted: Monday, June 02, 2003 - 11:56 AM UTC
GI: You are not a wimp, just practical (naghahanap ng kadamay, kasi ganoon din ako); I also close all hatches as much as possible. The truth is it depends on the mood of the modeller, if he/she is challenged to be more creative.
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Posted: Monday, June 02, 2003 - 12:28 PM UTC
GI: You are not a wimp, just practical (naghahanap ng kadamay, kasi ganoon din ako); I also close all hatches as much as possible. The truth is it depends on the mood of the modeller, if he/she is challenged to be more creative.

If any of you guys want to look at insane AFV interior detailing better go to this site. I do not know how to describe the guy, either he is insane or just very challenged.....

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=110741&messageid=1054557415
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Posted: Monday, June 02, 2003 - 01:09 PM UTC
Guys, here is the first part of the insane guys interior detailing of a Tiger I..

[ http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=110741&messageid=1047382175

Its up for you guys to decide if he really is insane....
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Posted: Monday, June 02, 2003 - 03:34 PM UTC
anak ng pitongpu't pitong puting pating! Hanep sa interior yun ah! Mas brutal pa sa tunay yung ginagawa niya eh! #:-)
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Posted: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 05:38 AM UTC
grabe yung link na yun ah, sobra idol ko na ata yung modeler na yun... sana magaling sya mag paint at mag weather or parang nakakahinayang pinturahan yun model..hehe

btw, san yung accurate? shop ba yun?
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Posted: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 12:16 PM UTC
VSS: It is a shop located in SM SouthMall - ground floor. For a better description including what they sell, pls. see the "Stores in Manila" topic started by Jeepney (this forum).

Hope this helps
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 01:03 AM UTC

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I love interior details! Ever since GI sold me a Zelda I got hooked! Interiors are not for everyone though. They take a lot of time and most of it can't be seen anyway. APCs are a different matter though because if you want to open the infantry hatch at the back you have to have an interior.

Most Tamiya tanks don't have interiors. Most Academy tanks do. An interiorless Tamiya tank goes for at least a thousand bucks. An Academy tank with all the options goes for half that. It all boils down to value for money.



Ahhhh! Interiors! Ok sana kung maipapakita mo rin sya pero kasi nakatago eh! Di tulad sa AC, yung cockpit kita lahat ng interior details
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 01:04 AM UTC

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My rule of thumb in interiors is: if you can't see it, don't build it. (I was influenced by Shep Paine's books ) Hence, all of my armor have their hatches closed. Am I a wimp or what?




That's right! It's a waste of paint!
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 01:09 AM UTC

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Guys, here is the first part of the insane guys interior detailing of a Tiger I..

[ http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=110741&messageid=1047382175

Its up for you guys to decide if he really is insane....



Ayos naman eh. He's using real metal there. I can say it's really good. Ang linis ng gawa
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 01:22 AM UTC

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grabe yung link na yun ah, sobra idol ko na ata yung modeler na yun... sana magaling sya mag paint at mag weather or parang nakakahinayang pinturahan yun model..hehe

btw, san yung accurate? shop ba yun?



Accurate Model Works is located at the Upper Ground Floor near Gamezone, Circuit City and Jollibee at SM Southmall. If you pass by the main gate, walk straight to SM Department Store inside then exit on the other side. Jollibee would now be near. Walk straight again and you'll see it Hope this walkthrough helps
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 12:27 PM UTC

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Ayos naman eh. He's using real metal there. I can say it's really good. Ang linis ng gawa
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Tingin ko dehins na niya mapipintahan ang ginawa niya, dahil sa dami ng scratchbuilt parts na kinakabit niya manghihinayang siyang mag-paint...
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 02:46 AM UTC
pucharagis, hayup ren yang lokong yan noh. kakaiba, di ako tank-modeler, pero naapreciate ko yung gawa niya -- kahit sino naman siguro! ang bangis nung tank-shells niya noh, di kaya't pwede mag scratchbuild nun from a ballpen? panda na bolpen diba? wala lang naisip ko lang.

di ako magulat kung may yosi pa nang sundalo diyan.
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