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ti
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 01:28 AM UTC

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Did you see any photos of the package previous to it being opened? I know hindsight is always perfect vision, but the condition they are in would indicate some signs of abuse would have to have been apparent.

Being a prolific mail ordering sort myself any deliveries that show abuse to the packaging I will photograph before opening. It has paid off, too.

I don't know the buyer, but I can reason that having second thoughts about a purchase for whatever reason, said purchase being insured, destruction of the contents is a fairly sure way to get a refund. And if the item travels a good distance to arrive and many hands have been put on it, who's to say where the wounds occurred?

Again, I am stunned by the magnitude of destruction. I don't think you could put a well built model in a paint shaker and get that level of damage.




I e-mailed the collector to ask him about this. I'll see what his response will be.

Steve, no problem.
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 03:27 AM UTC
I'm sorry to hear of this happening . It does look like someone took their anger out on them , with all that damage . Hopefull you will get some answers for this soon .
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 10:31 AM UTC

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I'm sorry to hear of this happening . It does look like someone took their anger out on them , with all that damage . Hopefull you will get some answers for this soon .



Thanks for your concern Terri.
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 07:55 PM UTC
There looks like no deliberate vandalism here at all. Just a case of models not packed well enough. A model must be packed so it can not move around at all. With just the bases in foam, the model will break off, then bounce around in the box. In this case, it was a few models and the bases bouncing around. Take a couple models and a block of wood and place them in a box and give it a few good shakes. You will end up with a box full of pieces.

The best way is to either use plastic peanuts, or cut out foam so the model is totally enclosed in it. I have used both methods and had no issues. I learned the hard way as well. My first couple of times, I just used a few pieces of foam to wedge the model in too. They came loose in tranist and the model was destroyed. After that, I made sure the model couldn't move at all inside the box. Like I said before, I have used this method to ship all over the world with no issues. The best way I find is to put a layer of panuts in the box. Place the model on top of them, then fill the rest of the box w/peanuts. Make sure it is a little snug, then close it up. Works every time.

Sorry you had to find out the hard way, but that is how it goes.
ti
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:36 AM UTC
Thanks for the litte education Gino...I've learned the hardway.
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 09:52 AM UTC
I'm sorry to see it Ti, you made some great models.
ti
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:33 PM UTC
Thanks Murdo.
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 06:58 PM UTC
It uls be nice if someone could make a Hot-To video on how to pack models for overseas delivery...hint hint...
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Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 08:49 AM UTC
This is such a shame Charles! i guess they are totaly wrecked beyond repair? Must be horrible to see all that work and effort smashed to bits, that state its in kinda looks like it was delivered by Ace ventura (beginning of the first film when he delivers the package!)

Unfortunately as well, regardless of if you put 'this way up' stickers on the guys dont care, i put that on a parcel and the women at the PO said thats a waste because no one will read that, pretty hopeless to be honest.
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Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 - 02:29 AM UTC
Charles,
Sorry to hear about your models being destroyed, I really liked your models when I seen them on Militaryphotos.net.

Mick Keenan
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Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 - 02:52 AM UTC

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It uls be nice if someone could make a Hot-To video on how to pack models for overseas delivery...hint hint...



I have just submitted an article to Modelgeek, I'll check with Scott on the progress.

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Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 - 03:25 AM UTC
Sorry to hear about your kits Charles, I have enjoyed over the years looking at your builds and marveling in your ability to produce some very unique items.

I have to agree with the consensus of the people on here, the kits look like they were deliberately smashed and taken apart......I don't care what anyone says, but you are not going to have every part from a truck frame come off, unless it is deliberately smashed over and over until all the parts come off, I mean come on, it is a clean frame, there is no way that would happen by just rough handling during shipping.

I sell kits on Ebay to all over the world (unbuilt kits in the box) and I know all about waiting for the kits to arrive in the person's hand. Someone mentioned 30days, some of my shipping to places like Australia, Europe and South America can take as much as 8-10-12 weeks for delivery. If the customer chooses surface shipping, it literally takes the "Slow Boat" which takes forever to get there.
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Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 - 05:54 AM UTC
A two part video was actually made and posted for Charles on another forum, if the desire is great enough I'm assuming it would be ok with the creator of said video, to re-post it here if asked, albeit temporarily. I have the links as does Charles I believe.


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Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 - 07:48 AM UTC

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Sorry to hear about your kits Charles, I have enjoyed over the years looking at your builds and marveling in your ability to produce some very unique items.

I have to agree with the consensus of the people on here, the kits look like they were deliberately smashed and taken apart......I don't care what anyone says, but you are not going to have every part from a truck frame come off, unless it is deliberately smashed over and over until all the parts come off, I mean come on, it is a clean frame, there is no way that would happen by just rough handling during shipping.

I sell kits on Ebay to all over the world (unbuilt kits in the box) and I know all about waiting for the kits to arrive in the person's hand. Someone mentioned 30days, some of my shipping to places like Australia, Europe and South America can take as much as 8-10-12 weeks for delivery. If the customer chooses surface shipping, it literally takes the "Slow Boat" which takes forever to get there.




Amen to that! And some parts look like they were snapped into smaller pieces.

It may have been me with the 30 days. A buyer requested I ship kits to him in Germany by the least expensive way which took a month. No way would I think saving a few dollars is worth having something so fragile in transit for so long. I bought a few kits from Italy that took 30 to 35 days to arrive. A CD I bought from France took over a month although I paid for the faster shipping.
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 04:30 AM UTC

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Amen to that! And some parts look like they were snapped into smaller pieces.



Obviously you have never shipped a model that was not properly packed. I doubt there was any maliciousness at all here. Place a model in a box with a chunk of wood and shake it around. Try it yourself and see what happens. You will get the exact results you see in the pics here. Like I said, i had the same happen w/an improperly packed model as well. Why would anyone destroy the models for the hell of it anyways?
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 02:04 PM UTC

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Amen to that! And some parts look like they were snapped into smaller pieces.



Obviously you have never shipped a model that was not properly packed. I doubt there was any maliciousness at all here. Place a model in a box with a chunk of wood and shake it around. Try it yourself and see what happens. You will get the exact results you see in the pics here. Like I said, i had the same happen w/an improperly packed model as well. Why would anyone destroy the models for the hell of it anyways?




Major G.: I stand by what I believe untill given evidence to the contrary that I can find enough truth in to change my mind. I am quite capable of doing that and have never had so much ego i couldn't say I was wrong. I thought about what you said the first time you posted it and I could accept your summation because it happened to you. You are 100% correct that it hasn't happened to me, possibly because I have had experience in packing and shipping sensitive and expensive electronic equipment. As to why someone would destroy them intentionally I don't think it's too outrageous to suggest that someone getting some prebuilt kits would react badly if they arrived partially damaged. A suggestion they be repaired may have been beyond their ability, and would not make them as good as new. To receive a full insured settlement - a total refund- the recipient turns partial damage into a non-recoverable destructothon. That way 100% of purchase funds are recovered. Or even worse, the recipient didn't think they were worth what he paid after getting them. What surer way to get your money back? The best lies contain a grain of truth. I know this stuff happens because I did electronic component reconditioning for resale for years and it was amazing the kind of crap people in companies, even the big ones, would try to pull to get a refund or something for nothing. Further, when I looked at the debris, I didn't see how a container filled with packing material would allow the kind of inertia of the contents required to cause such total destruction. I could see parts coming off and all that, but I would not have expected what I saw. The box would have had to be really abused I would think, many sudden jolts, drops, etc. I will consider myself fortunate that I have never had this happen to me or have I caused this to happen to anyone else. I'm not challenging your analysis, merely trying to explain why I believe as I did.

I think this was attributed to Sherlock Holmes: "Once you have eliminated the impossible. whatever remains, no matter how improbable, is the truth."
ti
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 02:49 AM UTC
Well, I'm still waiting for the insurance company to get back to me. According to one of the insurance guys I talked to it would take about a week to three months to get the complaint verified or looked into. So I'll just have to wait and see... what happens.
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 12:23 PM UTC
Charles,

I've had the opportunity to send a few built models through our ""wonderful"" postal service a couple of states away....not a long distance, but still....

What I wound up doing was not installing (permanently) all the little things that could get snapped off....antennaes, MG's, and the like. Then, I would wrap the model somewhat tightly with saran warp (plastic stretchy stuff), add a quick wrap of bubble-wrap, and ever-so-slightly "over pack" the box with the peanuts. I'd layer the bottom of the box with some peanuts, add the model, and then fill with more peanuts....just enough so that when you closed the box's lid, there was a very slight bulge. The peanut's give a good amount, so the bulge settled down well. I really think the main "ingredient" of packing models, for me, is the use of saran wrap.

Don't know the details of the pictures that are show, but....that looks like something that was tossed in a box...an M-80 was lit, thrown in, and then sealed.

Anyhow, the method described has worked well for me....mayhap for you?

Mike