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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 02:20 PM UTC
Soldiers are supposed to be clean-shaven with close-cropped hair at base, but what about when they are out in combat? Do they have to shave and cut their hair when out in the field and not actually fighting? In cold winters, for instance, I cannot imagine soldiers wanting to shave or cut their hair, since extra hair would add warmth. Assuming the winter clothing is unavailable or inadequate.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 02:41 PM UTC
Regular soldiers will be close cropped, because they have regular access to both water and a barber. Special forces soldiers can often be seen with beards, and "excessive" hair cuts, just because they don't have regular access to water.

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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 02:41 PM UTC
While in Iraq during OIF 1, we had soldiers within the unit that would cut everyone's hair. Once AAFES opened up at Baghdad International Airport, we had pakistani barbers that would cut our hair. For a small fee of course.
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Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 03:35 AM UTC
I was thinking of soldiers deliberately leaving beards on and hair to grow in very cold weather conditions. But that is not done, I take it.
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Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 06:58 AM UTC

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Soldiers are supposed to be clean-shaven with close-cropped hair at base, but what about when they are out in combat? Do they have to shave and cut their hair when out in the field and not actually fighting? In cold winters, for instance, I cannot imagine soldiers wanting to shave or cut their hair, since extra hair would add warmth. Assuming the winter clothing is unavailable or inadequate.



When I was in the "rear with the gear" - for instance in an artillery battery position or a battalion headquarters - the living conditions were pretty civil. We were able to get almost daily showers and shaves and regular haircuts. When I was in the jungle, hygene happened when we could get to water. A helmet bath and a shave was very welcome when the opportunity arose....especially when there weren;t too many little critters swimming in the water.

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Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 07:52 AM UTC
All company level tactical units have several SKO (Sets, Kits & Outfits) as part of their unit supply. Among these are a barber set that includes several types of clippers, both electric and 1940s era hand powered.
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Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 08:36 AM UTC
We remain beardless and short haired whether in garrison or in the field, or operationlly. The purpose for the short head hair is hygene. The reason moustaches are allowed, but beards are not is that your respirator will not seal if you have a beard. Any exposure to nasty chemicals, even something as harmless as CS/CN gas will not be stopped, and even though your wearing your mask, you'll be puking your guts out. In the field and opperatonally, if water is an issue, then we would just dry shave, but shave we had to. As an interesting semi related point, we always had longer hair then is in vogue in the u.s. mil. If we actually cut our hair that short, we would be charged with a self inflicted wound...as bare skull is a huge danger from heat prostration. 2cm was the length, if my memory hasnt gone entirely west.
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Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 01:09 PM UTC
depending on what particular task we were given depended on how we dressed , long hair beards uniform or civvies, the long hair was great in winter but gave me a headache and i itched like hell in summer as for a beard i had orders from my wife to shave it off before walking through the front door, it used to scare the kids.
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Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 03:57 PM UTC
You must have never saw some of the modern European forces in the 1990s....long hair past their shoulders...some with ponytails.....and those are the guys during exercises and operational tours.

Beards are worn by Canadian Infantry Pioneers....it is a tradition....and wearing a gas mask with a beard can be done. Some of the Canadian Pioneer photos taken in Kosovo in 1999 looked like they had half grown ZZ Top beads.
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Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 07:25 PM UTC
Until the late '90s, here in Sri Lanka, all regular troops in the field had to shave and have haircuts whenever it was possible, and would be inspected for it even at FOBs. Special ops troops could grow their hair and beards 'cos they are also used in deniable and undercover missions. Recently, however, I've noticed that regular troops sport beards in the field too, mostly to fool the enemy into thinking they're special forces However, they still need to shave and cut their hair when back at basecamp.
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Posted: Friday, July 04, 2008 - 08:50 AM UTC

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You must have never saw some of the modern European forces in the 1990s....long hair past their shoulders...some with ponytails.....and those are the guys during exercises and operational tours.

Beards are worn by Canadian Infantry Pioneers....it is a tradition....and wearing a gas mask with a beard can be done. Some of the Canadian Pioneer photos taken in Kosovo in 1999 looked like they had half grown ZZ Top beads.



Thats was entirely true in the 80's as well Jason...I remember the Dutch army having Fabio haircuts. Also true about the pioneers lol. Not sure about the respirator though...just don't think that would work at all. Myself, the only time I was authorized to have a beard was during a tour of Alert in 85....don't ask how I got there. I felt like a pig in rubber boots surrounded by nothing but airfarce and navy types. I was back in batallion for exactly one hour when I was sent off to de-fur my face. LOL!
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Posted: Friday, July 04, 2008 - 02:30 PM UTC

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Until the late '90s, here in Sri Lanka, all regular troops in the field had to shave and have haircuts whenever it was possible, and would be inspected for it even at FOBs. Special ops troops could grow their hair and beards 'cos they are also used in deniable and undercover missions. Recently, however, I've noticed that regular troops sport beards in the field too, mostly to fool the enemy into thinking they're special forces However, they still need to shave and cut their hair when back at basecamp.



Ha ha...if growing a beard is enough to fool the Tamil Tigers into thinking they are "Special Forces" then they should go all the way and get some hair extensions too.....they would wipe out the Tigers in no time.
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Posted: Friday, July 04, 2008 - 02:50 PM UTC

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Thats was entirely true in the 80's as well Jason...I remember the Dutch army having Fabio haircuts. Also true about the pioneers lol. Not sure about the respirator though...just don't think that would work at all. Myself, the only time I was authorized to have a beard was during a tour of Alert in 85....don't ask how I got there. I felt like a pig in rubber boots surrounded by nothing but airfarce and navy types. I was back in batallion for exactly one hour when I was sent off to de-fur my face. LOL!



Yup, I remember seeing the German troops in Shilo in the 80's....some stylin' doos back then on them.

For beards a good coating of Vaseline ensures a good seal with a gas mask......I have seen it done and it works.

The Canadian Navy also authorizes Sailors to have beards.

Throughout the entire Canadian Forces Soldiers can grow beards if it is due to religious requirements...such as Muslims, Sikhs, or Orthodox Jews.

Longer hair in summer and winter can be a pain in the butt on exercise or on operations....it gets dirty fast and loses any insulation properties and with a beret, helmet, of winter touques you quickly get a bad case of hat head and then your hair actually starts to hurt.

Special Ops Forces in Afghanistan and Iraq wear beards not because they don't have water to shave....they have beards so that they can fit in and communicate better with civilian men.....under Islamic law a man should have a beard.....it gains respect and trust with the local population.
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Posted: Friday, July 04, 2008 - 03:47 PM UTC

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You must have never saw some of the modern European forces in the 1990s....long hair past their shoulders...some with ponytails.....and those are the guys during exercises and operational tours.

Beards are worn by Canadian Infantry Pioneers....it is a tradition....and wearing a gas mask with a beard can be done. Some of the Canadian Pioneer photos taken in Kosovo in 1999 looked like they had half grown ZZ Top beads.



Jason

Don't forget winter warfare .... we almost always had beard growing contests while on them (even those prissy royals LOL)....beards to be shaved off immediately on return to base though.

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Posted: Friday, July 04, 2008 - 03:58 PM UTC

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Don't forget winter warfare .... we almost always had beard growing contests while on them (even those prissy royals LOL)....beards to be shaved off immediately on return to base though.



I was in the Armoured Corps...always clean shaven even during the winter.....we all had electric razors....haha.....and lots of hot water in the boiling vessel.
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:40 PM UTC

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Ha ha...if growing a beard is enough to fool the Tamil Tigers into thinking they are "Special Forces" then they should go all the way and get some hair extensions too.....they would wipe out the Tigers in no time.



Lol. I think the infantry just felt left outta things. The SF and Commandos were catching all the headlines last year with their assassination missions and behind-the-lines stuff. So it might be that the infantry's trying to fool the media! A recently formed mechanized infantry brigade even tried to have a bandana as their official headgear! Luckily some brass killed that idea.
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2008 - 05:55 AM UTC

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Don't forget winter warfare .... we almost always had beard growing contests while on them (even those prissy royals LOL)....beards to be shaved off immediately on return to base though.



I was in the Armoured Corps...always clean shaven even during the winter.....we all had electric razors....haha.....and lots of hot water in the boiling vessel.



Bingo! I served in Field Arty (SPH), there was not any troubles to make yourself clean shaved , even in field in winter
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2008 - 08:36 AM UTC
Vaseline, sure...Hey bad guys, time out! Before you attack us give us a couple of minutes to grease up our beards with vaseline. We'll give you the signal when it's safe drop the chemical agents on our position. OK? Thanks!
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 05:21 AM UTC
My brother has what is called, I think, a H & T.
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 01:31 PM UTC

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I was thinking of soldiers deliberately leaving beards on and hair to grow in very cold weather conditions. But that is not done, I take it.



Not in the US Army, that's for sure. Might be able to get away with a couple day's worth of stubble depending on the 1st Sergeant, but we were expected to be clean-shaven more often than not even on maneuvers.

There was an exception if you had a facial condition (many black soldiers had skin problems because of shaving and could get dispensations for it).
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 02:56 PM UTC
The US Navy was the same way. I was on subs, and even then someone on board would cut your hair. Wasn't always the best, but at least you looked as good as the next guy until you got home!! Beards were not allowed for the same reasons as mentioned above - face masks wouldn't seal. For us, it wasn't a chemical thing as much as straight smoke in case of a fire. Its not like we could "open the doors" and let the smoke out!!
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The US Navy was the same way. I was on subs, and even then someone on board would cut your hair. Wasn't always the best, but at least you looked as good as the next guy until you got home!! Beards were not allowed for the same reasons as mentioned above - face masks wouldn't seal. For us, it wasn't a chemical thing as much as straight smoke in case of a fire. Its not like we could "open the doors" and let the smoke out!!



Interesting. My dad was on the SSN 613 Flasher. He always sported a full beard or Fu Manchu while out on patrol. Different times, different regs perhaps.


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Posted: Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 01:39 AM UTC

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I was thinking of soldiers deliberately leaving beards on and hair to grow in very cold weather conditions. But that is not done, I take it.



Not in the US Army, that's for sure. Might be able to get away with a couple day's worth of stubble depending on the 1st Sergeant, but we were expected to be clean-shaven more often than not even on maneuvers.

There was an exception if you had a facial condition (many black soldiers had skin problems because of shaving and could get dispensations for it).



I'll second that. In the US Army, you shave daily; in garrison, in the field, or in combat. Haircuts are also kept up as well. Its always fun shaving in cold water in the winter...Brrrrrrr!!
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Posted: Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 10:14 AM UTC

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I'll second that. In the US Army, you shave daily; in garrison, in the field, or in combat. Haircuts are also kept up as well. Its always fun shaving in cold water in the winter...Brrrrrrr!!



I must not have gotten the memo.

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Posted: Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 11:23 AM UTC

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Interesting. My dad was on the SSN 613 Flasher. He always sported a full beard or Fu Manchu while out on patrol. Different times, different regs perhaps.





I think that the combat tempo might have something to do with it, as a glance at Bill Mauldin's drawings of WW2 infantry can attest.