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Drader
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 06:28 PM UTC
HES21
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:13 PM UTC
I hope its as good as the classic film that I watch with Dad!
Fordboy
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 12:05 AM UTC
These concerns are natural.
Speaking as a fellow New Zealander I am quitely confident Peter Jackson will do a superb job of the remake.
I am sure it wont be another Pearl Harbour.
Regards
Sean
Speaking as a fellow New Zealander I am quitely confident Peter Jackson will do a superb job of the remake.
I am sure it wont be another Pearl Harbour.
Regards
Sean
Bigskip
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 03:42 AM UTC
I hope Peter J does a Lord of the rings, Rather than a King Kong - which IMHO was aspecial effect film, with no substance or plot.
Andy
Andy
blaster76
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 04:27 AM UTC
I loved the way Peter Jackso kept his version of King Kong true to the original classic. This makes me think he would do the same for this one. Rather than have model planes superimposed over scenery, the computer graphics and the original storyline would make ths an instant clssic. And despite the recent controversies with Mel Gibson, as an actor I persoanlly feel he would be an asset.
Brigandine
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:29 AM UTC
Good to see that this is for real. When rumours about a new Dambusters movie started circulating earlier in the year they were firmly denied by PJ.
Peter Jackson has a real feel for aviation, and I'm sure he will stick to his promise to make this as authentic as possible. Can't wait!
Jeff W.
Peter Jackson has a real feel for aviation, and I'm sure he will stick to his promise to make this as authentic as possible. Can't wait!
Jeff W.
acav
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 06:05 AM UTC
Hmmmmmmmm...
As much as I'm almost forced by patriotic duty to admire Peter Jackson, I can't help feeling that we'd be better served with something other than a remake of what was essentially a post-war propaganda piece about a bombing raid of little strategic value...
I'd prefer to see a movie about Bomber Command focusing on the hellish losses suffered by the brave young men who served, with an equal emphasis on the hellish losses suffered by the civilian population on the ground - but I can't help thinking that a movie about the firebombing of Dresden et al might not be too popular at the box office.
I know PJ is an aviation enthusiast and his attention to detail will be second to none - however, a nagging doubt remains about this project, and that is, Why?
$0.02
acav out
As much as I'm almost forced by patriotic duty to admire Peter Jackson, I can't help feeling that we'd be better served with something other than a remake of what was essentially a post-war propaganda piece about a bombing raid of little strategic value...
I'd prefer to see a movie about Bomber Command focusing on the hellish losses suffered by the brave young men who served, with an equal emphasis on the hellish losses suffered by the civilian population on the ground - but I can't help thinking that a movie about the firebombing of Dresden et al might not be too popular at the box office.
I know PJ is an aviation enthusiast and his attention to detail will be second to none - however, a nagging doubt remains about this project, and that is, Why?
$0.02
acav out
erichvon
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:17 AM UTC
My philosophy is if it's not broken why try to fix it. The original "Dambusters" was a superb film which is always a joy to watch. Why not do a hypothetical film compiled from experiences of Bomber Command crews. Pretty much on the same basis of "Memphis Belle" but better. It seems somewhat disrespectful to do a film about one high profile mission that was nothing more than a propaganda mission. Lets face it German output continually rose throughout the war even after the dams were blown up. My grans cousin was shot down over L'Orient in 1942 bombing the U-Boat pens (tail gunner on Wimpys) but people like him are forgotten. A generic bomber command film would be much better. Len Deighton's "Bomber" would be a good one to work from.....
Lucky13
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:27 AM UTC
Or two films.....one for the Bomber Command and one for the Fighter Command.
Brigandine
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 04:56 PM UTC
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. It seems somewhat disrespectful to do a film about one high profile mission that was nothing more than a propaganda mission. Lets face it German output continually rose throughout the war even after the dams were blown up. My grans cousin was shot down over L'Orient in 1942 bombing the U-Boat pens (tail gunner on Wimpys) but people like him are forgotten. A generic bomber command film would be much better. Len Deighton's "Bomber" would be a good one to work from.....
The raid was far more than a 'propaganda mission; and to say so trivialises the sacrifices made by the crews of the 617 Squadron aircraft which didn't make it back. It also overlooks the ingenuity of Barnes Wallis who, at a time when such precision bombing was a pipe-dream, envisaged and made a weapon which could destroy such important targets. That German output rose during the war is no fault of 617 Squadron who carried out the job they were formed to do.
The biggest problem with 'Operation Chastise' was the lack of follow-up by Bomber Command to further disrupt or stop repair work on the dams.
Nor do I believe that your gran's cousin or any of the crews of Bomber Command have been forgotten - read Martin Middlebrooks' 'The Nuremburg Raid, 'The Battle of Hamburg' (and others on the Berlin raids, and the Peenemunde operation) or Max Hastings 'Bomber Command'
Jeff W.
spooky6
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:47 PM UTC
Just a few thoughts in response to what's been said already.
It's all about the script. LOTR was a great detailed one. King Kong, obviously not.
Well, how many young people are interested in seeing the original version? Very few, I'd estimate. If you want today's youth (God, I sound old
) to learn about history, you have to retell the old stories with today's feel. Like with 'Memphis Belle', 'Saving Private Ryan' etc.
Well, Fighter Command had its movie, Dark Blue World .
Or David Fiddimore's Tuesday's War . Brilliant.
Also, you might note that both PJ's greatest hits have been remake's of famous (or infamous) movies, so he's going with that trend.
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I hope Peter J does a Lord of the rings, Rather than a King Kong - which IMHO was aspecial effect film, with no substance or plot.
It's all about the script. LOTR was a great detailed one. King Kong, obviously not.
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Why?
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My philosophy is if it's not broken why try to fix it.
Well, how many young people are interested in seeing the original version? Very few, I'd estimate. If you want today's youth (God, I sound old
) to learn about history, you have to retell the old stories with today's feel. Like with 'Memphis Belle', 'Saving Private Ryan' etc.Quoted Text
Or two films.....one for the Bomber Command and one for the Fighter Command.
Well, Fighter Command had its movie, Dark Blue World .
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Len Deighton's "Bomber" would be a good one to work from....
Or David Fiddimore's Tuesday's War . Brilliant.
Also, you might note that both PJ's greatest hits have been remake's of famous (or infamous) movies, so he's going with that trend.
acav
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Posted: Friday, September 01, 2006 - 07:17 AM UTC
Well, I take the point about 'today's kids', and let's remember that a 'DamBusters' movie will make a boffo spin-off PS3 game, not to mention all the other merchandising opportunities... (1/35 scale Lancaster anyone..?)
Today's 'kids' can be tomorrow's film buffs if exposed to enough movie history - that's to say, with good parenting and a decent education
, any child capable of going to see the new 'DamBusters should be opeen to the idea of accepting the original for what it is... , and they can be tomorrow's modelers (or history buffs or 'DamBusters' PS3 game World Champion...) if tempted by the right gear.
Good on PJ for doing the film - I still dig the original ( plus all those other period films - 'Appointment in London' anyone..?) and would prefer to see a more generic Bomber Command film made from the myriad stories that need to be told from that time and place...
To tell the truth, this wonderful man says it better than anyone...
acav out
Today's 'kids' can be tomorrow's film buffs if exposed to enough movie history - that's to say, with good parenting and a decent education
, any child capable of going to see the new 'DamBusters should be opeen to the idea of accepting the original for what it is... , and they can be tomorrow's modelers (or history buffs or 'DamBusters' PS3 game World Champion...) if tempted by the right gear.Good on PJ for doing the film - I still dig the original ( plus all those other period films - 'Appointment in London' anyone..?) and would prefer to see a more generic Bomber Command film made from the myriad stories that need to be told from that time and place...
To tell the truth, this wonderful man says it better than anyone...
acav out
Brigandine
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Posted: Friday, September 01, 2006 - 09:47 AM UTC
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Today's 'kids' can be tomorrow's film buffs if exposed to enough movie history - that's to say, with good parenting and a decent education
To tell the truth, this wonderful man says it better than anyone...
acav out
Sums things up nicely. The story of the raids on the dams is compelling because 617 Squadron was a unit made up of ordinary men, some barely out of their teens, who were trained to do something out of the ordinary, and for the most part, succeeded. It's still a story well worth retelling.
There's still room for a movie or two dealing with Bomber Command's war, told from the perspective of 'ordinary' crews; during the war films like
'Target for Tonight' were made, in this case with 149 Squadron aircrew ; one of those involved was P C Pickard, who led the raid on Amiens Prison by 487 (NZ), 464 (RAAF) and 21 Mosquito Squadrons.
Jeff W.
Lucky13
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Posted: Friday, September 01, 2006 - 04:33 PM UTC
I'd love to see a flick with Hampdens, Wellingtons and so on in.....
Is there any flying around that's good?
Is there any flying around that's good?
Pilgrim
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 09:00 PM UTC
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Quoted TextOr two films.....one for the Bomber Command and one for the Fighter Command.
Well, Fighter Command had its movie, Dark Blue World .
Or indeed
The Battle of Britain
Sean
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 05:44 AM UTC
I think that this particular mission gets singled out more because of the strange and unique weapon involved.
mikeli125
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Posted: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 12:13 AM UTC
See the name of Gibson's dog is being changed from Nigger to trigger just because it's not PC well can someone tell me why it's Ok for the word to be used in "urban flicks"............the loons are taking over the world! 
acav
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Posted: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 02:32 AM UTC
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See the name of Gibson's dog is being changed from Nigger to trigger just because it's not PC well can someone tell me why it's Ok for the word to be used in "urban flicks"............the loons are taking over the world!
I'd guess the acceptability of 'the N-word' in 'urban flicks' is down to context - it's most often used brother on brother or to imply hatred, both of which would fit the genre.
Now historically, the name of Gibson's dog is also in context - but it wil likely not survive the film making process.
Me, I'd call the little feller Nugget, a brand of shoe polish here in NZ which comes in all colours including - most definitely - black...
$0.02
acav out
Vic
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Posted: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 04:40 AM UTC
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See the name of Gibson's dog is being changed from Nigger to trigger just because it's not PC well can someone tell me why it's Ok for the word to be used in "urban flicks"............the loons are taking over the world!
It really is getting pathetic, so does that mean next time an Ausie calls me pommy I should get upset? Don't think so. :-)
pommy: a disparaging term for English immigrants to Australia or New Zealand
If I can move to New Zealand they can call me what they like
Why do they have to call the dog by name, Gibson could just say "here boy" instead, hell it aint in the film for long anyway.
Why change history just to keep the PC crowd happy.
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