There is no way on earth politicians in the USA and Britain could have sold such an alliance.

Sorry , you are way off your mark here, and I disagree with your one sided opinions, which they are.
Patton understood the concept of battlefield strategy just as well as your Zukhov.

Patton, because of B.S. political policy and other nervous Generals who were always to unwilling to take up the initiative, and also unfortunately out-ranked Gen. Patton, never would give him the chance to command the millions that were in the U.S. Army at that time. And had he that chance he would have beeen able to lead them just as Zukhov did the Russians. Maybe with different tactical & logistical measures but he would have skillfully done it and done it right !

One thing , Zukhov had all those penal battalions to send out infront of his elite Guards Divs and Tank Guards Armies .......... So Zukhov murders his own soldiers so his better soldiers can step and rollover their dead bodies to bring Zukhov victory ........ hmmmmmmmmm, that's some pretty skillful battle tactics. Sounds like Zukhov should have also been given the tiltle of
" Hero Butcher of the Soviet Union "

Patton did not need to murder men to bring his troops victory. Maybe a slap in the face for cowardice, but I would have done the same. Actually , Patton probably wanted to slap Zukhov in the face too.

Zukhov was a good General, but he wasn't no War God,. Patton could have swept all before him if he hadn't been held back by his superiors. He proved it over and over again and the proof is in his battlefield victories, established through his tactical & logistical battleplans. He also "made it a must " to study & be intune to battlefield intelligence reports, recon and observation of his nemesis.

Zukhov compared to Napoleon ... is that suppose to impress us.. Napoleon was defeated by Wellington and von Blucher . Why wasn't Zukhov compared to these men ? Hmmmmm.

- ralph

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Yes, I totally agree David, but if it had happened theres a very good chance the Cold War would have never been and that leads to many other things happening for the better.
- ralph

EDIT: I've used my first editorial veto here. The rest of this post is a bit too slanderous to me, not to mention it does have a slight profanity. Ralph I can't let this kind of comment go by. Please try to leave current event types of topics out of this historical discussion.

Not wishing to suppress anyones right to express themselves, but lets try and keep these posts cordial and respectful.

thanks

EDIT: I've edited the post in question so I've deleted it from this post as well.

Sounds like someone has been watching Patton and cold war propaganda too much :-)

If you want to discuss Patton, why not start a thread about it, this one is about German war manufacturing output.

New topic just started.

I know the answer...



Shaun

Joe, I'm not going to assume that Ralph has gotten all of his information from watching Patton. Many people I know, people who HATE that film, feel the same way he does. If he can back this up with facts, then let him go ahead.

As to your second point Shaun has already done so.

Neither do i, i was being sarcastic.

As i said, a different thread would be better (thanks shaun) rather than go off topic on this.

Just defending a great general with some basic facts.
And yes I agree I have gotten off topic, and I should have opened a new topic in another DG. And I apologize for that.

As far as your comment goes, "watching too much
Patton on ( I assume you meant TV ? ) ................
" I don't think so " that would be disrespectful & dishonest. to history, forum viewers & Patton himself.


But I will not stand idle and listen to blatant BS about someone who doesn't no squat about Patton and might think Zukhov was so far surperior and I gave some truthful insight why he wasn't . I'm not agruing that Zukhov wasn't a great General. I just believe when you lay out the facts Patton could have also done what Zukhov did if he had command of all the ground forces of the U.S. Army as did Zukhov the Red Army.


- ralph

Hmm, i would say more of a different opinion. arent we all entitled to those?

If you feel the need to put across a differing view on Patton then please start a thread about it, i would certainly be interested

Well Joe, I did compose a new topic in the History DG

If you would like to see the truth bought to light, and why I made my stand, please check it out :
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/70586&page=1


- ralph

Ralph, I used Patton as an example of why it was a bad idea for the US to ally with Germany. I've replied in your new thread to your latest arguments. I would, however, appreciate it if you would not make remarks of a personal nature, as it's a bit childish. Sure we can all discuss and argue like adults without losing our tempers.

Ralph, I have to echo David's comment here. Please hold the personal comments down. It is quite possible to disagree with somebody without getting personal about it. For example you can say somebody's ideas are crazy, without saying they personally are crazy. That's just an extreme example.