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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:26 PM UTC
No, this isn't about the game, but about the ball. I'm thinking of making one just for fun to sit on the back of my British Priest. You know, something the lads would have kicked around in their off hours. I've a few questions.

Are the Brit footballs like our American soccer balls? White with different colored panels like a geodesic dome? Or were they all brown, or what?

About how big is the ball? How many inches in diameter?

Would there be visible seams? Or would this be something that probably wouldn't show in 1/35 scale?

Any other suggestions you can make would be appreciated.

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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 01:53 PM UTC
You could probably do an internet search by typing in something like "Antique soccer/footballs" and get a result. Everything back then seemed to be made of leather.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 03:28 PM UTC
As Phantom says ... brown to tan coloured stripes. No hexagones or colours.
Was it "escape to victory" that had Sylvester Stalone, John Wark(liverpool), Chris Hughton (spurs), Pele and a load of other football players from the day, as a POW football team? Check that out ..... or even old colour pics of Man. United, Liverpool, leeds, etc.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 04:05 PM UTC
Frank mate I have an origanal tape of that film ,.. all very true he,he......yes brown balls mate.....

good stuff Phil......
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 05:14 PM UTC
In WW2, in fact anytime up to the late 1960s, the ball was the same size and pattern as todays balls but made of dark brown leather, with a laced-up slit covering the tube where it could be pumped up. What you see is a covering over a bladder inside that holds the air.
BTW - in films you sometimes see people kicking these old ball barefoot - forget it - they would have broken their toes!
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 01:03 AM UTC
Nothing more to add here, but felt the need to respond, as the opportunity for two of my favourite past-times to come together in a post was too good to overlook!!
(Go Man. U;)
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 01:28 AM UTC
Rodger,

Greats minds think alike... I was researching this about a week ago becasue I am planning on putting a "football" on the back of a jadgpanther. Found a good site. Soccer balls actually have a pattern of 12 pentagons and 20 hexagons.
Third one down on the right at this link:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~brought/Epubs/soccer/soccerpics.html

More info here:

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/soccer_ball

The 22cm diameter scales out to almost exactly 1/4 inch in 1/35th scale if I did the math right, which is never a sure bet.

HTH,

Shaun
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 01:36 AM UTC
For the Americans we need resin bats and gloves,for baseball... :-)
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 01:39 AM UTC
UPDATE:

Pattern that may be helpful. I think this is just one hemisphere, near as I can tell...



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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 02:06 AM UTC
Hey there Rodger,

Nothing to add to what's been said above, apart from check out this site: Antique Style 1910 Soccer Ball - the ball would still be same up until probably the late '50s... and BTW kicking those balls is like kicking a medicine ball!





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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 02:07 AM UTC
Shaun,

The hex type ball is the modern ball design...

Rudi
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 02:11 AM UTC
Rudi,

I was basing the hex design on what Dave said about the design being the same as a modern ball only made out of brown leather. The footballs I know about are pointy on both ends and bounce weird...

Shaun
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 02:15 AM UTC
I did this a couple years ago.Used a wooden bead from craft store and it was close to 5/16 dia.Painted it light gray(dust) and pencil marked hexes on it.(oops!).
Oh well.......

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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 02:45 AM UTC

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Rudi,

I was basing the hex design on what Dave said about the design being the same as a modern ball only made out of brown leather. The footballs I know about are pointy on both ends and bounce weird...

Shaun


LOL :-) No worries Shaun...
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 03:02 AM UTC

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Rodger,

Greats mind think alike... I was researching this about a week ago becasue I am planning on putting a "football" on the back aof a jadgpanther. Found a good site. Soccer balls actually have a pattern of 12 pentagons and 20 hexagons.
Third one down on the right at this link:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~brought/Epubs/soccer/soccerpics.html

Shaun



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The above is a quote from your link. Football in a nut shell. :-) :-) :-)
I remember old mitre footballs from the 70s. They were all stripes or rectangular type shapes. The pictures that Rudi showed would be exactly how I would imagine an European ball to be from the 40s. All that changed in the 70s was the shapes were more refined and the leather was white. Oh and the sewing was a little more delicate. Canīt say exactly when hexagons were first used, but that wouldnt be typical.


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in films you sometimes see people kicking these old ball barefoot - forget it - they would have broken their toes!

:-) :-) :-) . There would be a fair chance of that still happening today. I wouldnt fancy striking a modern ball either with my big toe,. OOuuuch.
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 04:02 AM UTC
Thanks for all the help guys. I think those pictures, and that that idea of the size, are all I'll need. I'm not sculptor but even I should be able to handle a basically round ball.


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Rudi,

I was basing the hex design on what Dave said about the design being the same as a modern ball only made out of brown leather. The footballs I know about are pointy on both ends and bounce weird...

Shaun


I'm with you Shaun, and it won't be long now before our pointy ball starts bouncing weird again. Thank goodness.

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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2005 - 04:04 AM UTC
Thanks for all the help guys. I think those pictures, and that that idea of the size, are all I'll need. I'm not sculptor but even I should be able to handle a basically round ball.


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Rudi,

I was basing the hex design on what Dave said about the design being the same as a modern ball only made out of brown leather. The footballs I know about are pointy on both ends and bounce weird...

Shaun


I'm with you Shaun, and it won't be long now before our pointy ball starts bouncing weird again. Thank goodness.

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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 06:42 AM UTC
Rodger Ive actually played with a ww11 foot ball it was my dads from his bomber command days brown with stipes and lace ups where the thing is pumped up . I actually headed it, had to buy myself a new neck. :-)
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