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ant88
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 12:58 AM UTC
I have just gotten back into modeling after a long hiatius due to a marrige which is over, yeehaa. I find so many different methods on washes and the ones I have tried have all ended up ruining my paint jobs. None of them have mentioned what to coat my model with first. I use a variety of paints, acrylic, enamel, should I be coating the model with a varnish or some type of clear coat. please help modeling brothers. thanks!!
Sticky
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 02:56 AM UTC
Hello Anthony, welcome to the Big A.

There are many different methods of finishing, but the key is to A. semi-gloss coat, before the wash stage, and B, to wash with oil if you are painting with acrylics, or vice versa.

HTH

John
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 03:20 AM UTC
Welcome Anthony. You sure have come to the right place. Many of the members here are true artisans when it comes to modelling and a friendly and helpful bunch as well.

Washes are a mystery to me as well. I've tried several methods and they never seem to come out as good as those I've seen posted here. But I'll keep reading and learning and trying. Hope you do the same.
capnjock
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 03:42 AM UTC
In effect, I seal my basic paint job with future(floor wax). Then I work with washes( I use oil paints). Which agrees with the above(oil washes over acylic paint). Works for me, hope it helps.
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blackeast19
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 05:04 AM UTC
Hi,

Here's what I follow due to available resources in Singapore's hobby shop:
1. acrylic paints as my base coat
2. acrylic clear coat as gloss coat (Tamiya's X22), for protecting the base coat ( I can't find future here!)
3. oil paints (Newton's) for washes, followed by dry brushing.
4. Dull cote (from testors) to produce the final matt finishes

Been following these guides from the experts around here and it works fine for me.

Good luck to you!

Cheers!
WakeofDemons
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 03:39 AM UTC

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Hi,

Here's what I follow due to available resources in Singapore's hobby shop:
1. acrylic paints as my base coat
2. acrylic clear coat as gloss coat (Tamiya's X22), for protecting the base coat ( I can't find future here!)
3. oil paints (Newton's) for washes, followed by dry brushing.
4. Dull cote (from testors) to produce the final matt finishes

Been following these guides from the experts around here and it works fine for me.

Good luck to you!

Cheers!



Don't you add the decals on after your second step, then seal off again and then do the washes and weathering effects, then dull cote?
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 04:03 AM UTC
Here's the deal.
Paint your model.
Gloss coat with your favorite gloss (I prefer Testor's Glosscote laquer.)
Add decals. Some people will add another gloss coat here, not a bad idea.
Place the wash where you want it, such as in panel lines, at the base of raised detail, in grill work, etc., using a fine brush.
I strongly advise against the so-called sludge wash or layinig the paint over the entire model and planning to wipe off the excess. Great way to ruin a finish. I also prefer oils and enamels to acrylics for a wash, one solvent, no arcane recipes of water, alcohol, windex, dish soap to reduce the surface tension of the water. In most cases, the pigment is also much finer than in acrylics.
Top this off with some drybrushing.
Seal with Dullcote.
Dust with pastels.
blackeast19
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 04:22 AM UTC

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Hi,

Here's what I follow due to available resources in Singapore's hobby shop:
1. acrylic paints as my base coat
2. acrylic clear coat as gloss coat (Tamiya's X22), for protecting the base coat ( I can't find future here!)
3. oil paints (Newton's) for washes, followed by dry brushing.
4. Dull cote (from testors) to produce the final matt finishes

Been following these guides from the experts around here and it works fine for me.

Good luck to you!

Cheers!



Don't you add the decals on after your second step, then seal off again and then do the washes and weathering effects, then dull cote?




Oops,
Slip that out. Alexander was right, the decal should come in after the second step.

My apologies for the misinformation.

capnjock
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 08:33 AM UTC
Just for your information, I will give you the complete layers I use.
Undercoat- acrylic
Base coat- acrylic
Shadow/fading coats- acrylic
Filters- enamel (based on the definition and techniques by MIG in Missing Links)
Gloss coat- Future Floor wax- acrylic
Decals
Gloss coat- Future Floor wax- acylic
Dull coat- acrylic
Washes- oil
Pin washes- oil
Drybrush- oil
Hope it helps
capnjock
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 08:41 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Just for your information, I will give you the complete layers I use.
Undercoat- acrylic
Base coat- acrylic
Shadow/fading coats- acrylic
Filters- enamel (based on the definition and techniques by MIG in Missing Links)
Gloss coat- Future Floor wax- acrylic
Decals
Gloss coat- Future Floor wax- acylic
Dull coat- acrylic
Washes- oil
Pin washes- oil
Drybrush- oil
Hope it helps
capnjock



Ditto. "Q"
ant88
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 09:14 AM UTC
thanks for all the help!!
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