http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6019248/?GT1=5100

what do you guys think?

i'm sure there will be a huge uproar..especially from the european nations...

Hmmm. Hitler's softer side...It's hard to imagine a softer side of such a monster, Dan, but I'm sure this movie deserves a good checking out...Thanks for the post, I am definately going to watch for this! I have studied much about the man and have seen footage and photo's showing his so called "softer side", but I just don't know...Can't wait to see it!!!

Sincerely
Gunny

I doubt very much it will cause any kind of uproar. It is something that many Germans still need to confront - I find it positive that it is a German production.

On the positive side, their have been huge strides in Germany to confront the ghosts of their past - the Holocaust Museum in Berlin is a good example.

From considerable personal experience in Germany, I do find it strange that the premiere of the film was in Munich - not in the far more 'liberal' Berlin. Munich and Bavaria are not areas noted for their ability to confront many questions about their collaboration with the Nazi regime....Jim

looks pretty interesting i think, i agree, dont think it will cause anything..from what i can tell from the clip

I'm also looking forward to seeing this. I posted about this movie on another site and somebody replied with a good point. IF the film makes it clear that Hitler wasn't pure evil, that he had a human side, and that anybody could do the evil things he did, then it's a good thing.

Personally I'm torn. I hate Hitler with all my soul. I don't even like capitalizing his name, though I guess it's habit. I don't like seeing models of Hitler or anything that can remotely promote him. I don't want to give anybody a reason to believe he wasn't a terrible human being.

On the other hand the concept that Hitler wasn't pure evil, some kind of demon on earth, that anybody could be turned into doing the same kinds of things, is a good one. I would like to see more of what turned Hitler into what he became.

I'm just really nervous how neo nazis and the like might take any film and make it a rallying tool.

Well, at last someone who shows that interesting side of Hitler, the unknown side. He was a really virtuous man, I think many of his ideas were good, he could have been a great leader, but he did things the wrong way.

And I do not think he did all that evil on purpose, he just ignored it was an evil. There is no such a thing as a pure evil man, if they do evil it is mostly out of ignorance. Man desire goodness, but sometimes what they thought was goodness ends up in a massacre.

2 cents....

Dragonslain, I really hope that some of the sentiments expressed in your post are 'errors of translation' ...

Hitler did not do that evil on purpose? When any regime's leaders or civil servants, sit down and coldly plan the INDUSTRIALISED extermination of various ethnic groups, the subjugation of virtually all of mainland Europe and the dismissal of groups such as the Slavs as 'untermenschen' What my friend , would you describe this as? Being misunderstood?

If there is no such concept as 'pure evil' there are quite a number of savages have done their best to disprove that concept - a few names come to mind - Stalin, Pol-Pot or Milosovic... The world also has a number of 'wannabes' such as Castro or Kim-il-Jung.... An extremely worrying response....Jim

oops, lets blame it on error of translation......
What I meant is that he did it because he thought it was good for his country when in fact it ended up killing millions of German soldiers and civilians, it split Germany in two, so in the end he was making no good.

and Castro....I think he had some good ideas of communism, him and Che Guevara, but he got frustrated that his people would not follow his ideals, so instead he forced them, turning from a leader into a brutal dictator.

Who knows what these guys had in mind anyways.

Hitler has always been 2-D to the world for the past 65-70 years. I have read lots of stuff and seen a few clips of him on diffents presentations showing his 3rd side. He didn't start out a brutal dictator, he was a guy who wanted to be an artist and an archetect. His first few years in "office" (admittedly achieved through brutallity and ruthlessness) were good for Germany. People forget his genious at setting up an intricate power structure that kept him in power and all his subordinates at each others throats rather than his..

His legacy will always be the millions of dead from the war and holocaust, nothing will ever change that, but he did have loves and normal aspects that seem to be totally forgotten.

Hi, Personally I will see this movie too when it comes out of DVD. Hopefully it will be sub-titled in English. It looks like a good historical film worth spending my time watching. Purely for the historical references to this period.

I think we can pretty much all agree that Hitler was a crackpot, flawed from the very beginning, but he wasn't the first history has ever produced and he won't be the last either. He was an ordinary man who just happened to be in the right particular place as the right particular time, historically speaking. I'm quite sure there are many Hitler's in the world today, but luckily for the human race, hardly any of them of them will venture much beyond being just a crackpot and seen as such by the very vast majority of the human race for what they are.

Being of very stong Native American feelings I can think of a few more famous people down through our nation's history that I would rate right along with this madman. Their crimes against the orignal peoples of this country are just as bad as his was, just on a lesser scale is all.

Take care, Sgirty

but he was no ordinary crackpot, he was a cunning crackpot, a crackpot that was a real master of the art of decieving. :-)

Hmm,

It always amazes me how people from countries that never had anything directly to do with Hitler (being oocupied that is) have discussions about this subject. And what is more suprising some of those never actually met, let alone know, someone who has lived through the terror. Well I do... my father has fought it, a couple of my uncles suffered from it...

I can tell you this: Hitler was Evil (yes, capital E).
Those who have doubts, read "Mein Kampf", it is the blueprint of things to come. The world was warned, but no one believed it....

And what is much more worrying... he found people willing to execute his dreams, and not only in Germany...

True, he may have been a genious, but so was Einstein, but he wasn't responsible for 30 MILLION deaths.

I have spoken.

Kris

Kris, thank you for that breath of common sense....

The people who are always looking for a more 'humane' side to Hitler's personality, will be gravely dissapointed.

For those who have any doubts on how Evil that thing was, several visits that may change their minds -

Museum Of The Holocaust in Tel Aviv, The Dutch Resistance Museum in Amsterdam, Aushwitz, Belsen - unfortunately the list is enormous.

We are living in a period where many people require History to be presented as some kind of vulgar 'Disneyland' - full of small, bite sized pieces that can be seen before they move onto the next 'tourist attraction' . Sadly, few of the millions of tourists who are transported around Europe like cattle, ever have either the time (or indeed the cultural level) to stop and consider just what happened in those cities just 60 years ago.

I overheard one of the saddest (or most pathetic) comments imaginable in August in Amsterdam. A middle-aged Spanish woman (moron) was bemoaning how uninteresting the house of Anne Frank had been "It's just a couple of rooms.." she said to her equally moronic companion....

Frankly I don't give a damn about Hitler's 'human' side and I care even less for the people who are prepared to 'try to understand' his motivation - that, is half-way done the road to accepting the terrible acts that he and his thugs committed on innocent populations. Please stop trying to justify the thing...Jim

For those not impressed by museums and or other "shows".

I you ever come to Belgium and have the chance, or better the courage, you should visit "Breendonk" :
http://www.breendonk.be/ .

This was a concentration camp during ww2 and the Belgium goverment kept it as intact as possible.
Only the atmosphere there is gruesome enough to make you think.
The people who where incarcerated there used to be guides there, so you got a first hand account... but sadly enough, the few keep on getting fewer... And most of it is now with audio aid.

This is no "Disneyland" and no "collection of rooms", this is like it was in 1940-45.

I have seen tough grown men come out of there with tears in their eyes...

And men hasn't learned from his mistakes, there are still little Hitlers out there .

Kris

Hi, All that is said on this forum about the evilness of Hitler and his henchmen is absolutely true, and then some, but we must not forget that there were forces and organizations much more powerful than he was and much more sinister and evil in their intent, that Hitler could ever hope to be at work during W.W. II, and, unfortunately, so very much bigger and much more powerful today than in the 1940s.

These were, and still are, the various international corporate conglomerates that feed and fuel wars, selling vital natural resources, strategic materials, and even highly classified secrets and other such information and data to whomever they can make a buck off of. Who hold no national or even international allegience to any said country or flag, have, and allow no such thing as patroictic sentiments or the resultant human suffering that flows from the various conflicts to inter into the flow of the 'business as ususal' of making a profit.

The amount of information I have learned down over the years about the various deals that went on between the American, British and German businessmen all throughout W.W. II, not only with all their various governments knowledge, but also their blessings as well, makes me wonder about who, or more precisely, what, represents true evil in the modern world of the 20th, and now, the 21st century.

People like Hitler, Stalin, and every blood thirsty dictator that has come along since their time I look upon as merely human forms, or pawns, in a much bigger, and unfortunately, much more sinister game of blood, death, and violence, all instigated and prolonged as much as possible to keep the balance sheets operating in the black.

"Wars used to be called the sport of kings, now it's called the sport of big business."-Sgirty

Hope I haven't stepped on anybody's toes here, but I had to unload this.

Take care, Sgirty

Hi sgirty,

You may be right...

Way , on the original post.

But currently we have here in Belgium a government crisis. And it all boils down to a multinational blackmailing our government.

I don't know how many of you have access to European news. But things haven't changed a bit...

Kris

No, I wasn't trying to justify his actions neither to say that his actions were not evils, I was just saying that he has a softer side that is quite contrasting with what we all knew, and this is interesting, and the reason why this movie was made.