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1/35,1/48,1/32...What a mess!
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Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 02:29 PM UTC
god, isnt it fustraating when lets say you have an idea when you see the perfect tank! that tank you want absolutly and you want to fit a plane in the dio for example! you take a look and cant find a 1/35 plane for your airfeild dio!

gets me nuts! why cant companys stick to lets say, 1/35, 1/48 and 1/72! why make 1/32 planes! you cant fit them in 1/35 dios! unless iam wrong.

Frank
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Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 02:51 PM UTC
I think the difference between 1/35 and 1/48 is OK, as some planes that work ok on 1/48 would be huge in 1/35. but I hate that there are 1/32 planes, there would be little difference between 1/35 and we could still use them for our dio's. why don't you try 1/72 armor? you can convine them alright with small aircraft
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Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 03:16 PM UTC
meh, 1/72 seems a little small, everything that fits in my palm is too small...id finish buildign everything too fast lol

but its true, why make things 1/32 instead of 1/35!!! what a difference it would make in detail !!!

Frank
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 12:41 AM UTC
The size difference between 1/35 and 1/32 is small enough that you can get away with using the two together in a diorama. 1/32 a/c and 1/35 armor that is. As far as using strictly 1/72...that would be my suggestion. On the armor side of the house, there are lots of new releases hitting the streets and as far as a/c goes, the field is wide open. Figures is where I would like to see more releases. "Q"
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 07:09 AM UTC
This is one of my pet peeves. I would love to place my 1/35 bomb truck next to a 1/35 scale P-51 or 47. But 1/32 and 1/35 are not compatible.

There are some maufacturers who are making 1/35 copters which is cool for us who build modern too.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 07:15 AM UTC
One of these tanks is 1/35 the other 1/32 which is which ?
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 07:49 AM UTC
Hi CRS:

It´s dificult to tell wich is wich in the photograph, but I think in the real thing it could be noticeable. The diference between the two scales is that a tank 1/32 is 9,4% bigger that the same tank in 1/35 scale. I feel that is too much.
Eg:
A tank of 7 mt long in 1/1 would be 20 cm in 1/35 and 21,87 cm in 1/32, I think that 1,87cm will be noticeable when compared with a similar vehicle.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 07:58 AM UTC
Carlos - when compared with a similar vehicle my point exactly they aren't the same vehicle so it is difficult to tell which is which scale. If both where of the same type it would be readily noticable, I agree. But Frank is talking about mixing a 1/32 aircraft in with a 1/35 tank or truck, way not the same or similar vehicle.

By the way the one in the background is 1/32 the one in foreground is 1/35. All figures are 1/35.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 08:07 AM UTC
I agree, 1/35 and 1/32 are close enough for me. I mix aircraft, helos, and civilian cars in 1/32 with 1/35 figures and vehicles all the time. You can look through my gallery to see some examples. Since they are different, they go together without problem. I don't see an issue.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 10:45 AM UTC
Maybe you guys are right. I never mixed planes in 1/32 with 1/35 tanks or other type of vehicles.
Are there tanks in 1/32 ? Never saw one.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 12:29 PM UTC

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Maybe you guys are right. I never mixed planes in 1/32 with 1/35 tanks or other type of vehicles.
Are there tanks in 1/32 ? Never saw one.


1/35 is pretty much the standard now for armor models. Monogram and Revell used to have some 1/32 scale armor kits. They are mostly collectors items now. They were pretty basic with soft to no detail.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 01:45 PM UTC
yeah, 1/32 and 1/53 are close but not enougth fro me! i jsut dont get wh ythey dont abandone 1/32 planes like they did with armor( if what heavyart says is right, i wasnt modeling back then) adn go to 1/35, i mean, god, whats so hard about that... dont know about you but id rather buy 1/35 than 1/32 since you can use it on a wider range of different things for dios

also, the 1/48 tanks that came out are nice, and id be more favorable to that than 1/72...you would find much more details when it comes to the model...and i rarely saw a 1/72 scale plane with a pilot...

Frank
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 01:47 PM UTC
I think someone did a diorama with 1/72 armor and HO scale buildings, and it looked alright!!
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 01:51 PM UTC
not long ago someone put a post asking for more pics of this dio... iam pretty sure it was omaha, it was 1/72 scale and it was awsome! i mean incredible! some people manage to pull some nice stuff out of 1/72 but i unfortunatly wouldnt have the paitience to paint all those figures right now...but il for sure give it a try.

anyone see the academy huey hog? its in 1/35!!! thats jsut awsome! if academy can pull of some nice 1/35 planes il buy more of there stuff!!!!!

Frank
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 02:16 PM UTC
Yes, 1/48 armor kits could be pretty nice, with a lot more detail tan 1/72 and more easy to store and exhibit than 1/35.
I built four tanks in 1/72 and didn´t be happy with them, I found them very small. I have a small dio in that scale with a Panzer IV Ausf F1 a Panzer I and some building ruins, I´ll take some pics and place them here.

It would be great if the manufacturers could make plane kits in 1/35 and armor kits in 1/48. Maybe one day.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 02:19 PM UTC
Gents, there realy is no big problem here. See first which has been around longer????? 1/32nd not only is it an old car scale but it also started as an Aircraft scale long before plastic. 1/35th is a relatively new scale ( most early armor out of box scale was 1/32nd, 1/35th is left over from box scale days that most of europe and asia followed) if you want to complain about a negligable differnce you should do your dios in 1/72nd as you arn't realy gonna fit a FW 190 A8 with a Sdkfz 8 with a flak 37 in the same dio. The space between the gun emplacements and the Parking areas was to great to be conceivable in 1/35th. Also think on this one Compared to other aircraft the P47 is normal size for a fighter and small copared to a medium bomber. But next to a sherman its twice the length and 5 times the width. Can we please be reasonable here. If you want crashed palne in you dio think about size you would need to make even more room if you had a King Tiger passing a wrecked P47 again its an issue of size that matters. Most of your best Dios in this scale realm are with parts of the aircraft, I.E. only the Tail of BF 109 G4 With rutts leading to a M18 Hellcat rolling over the tortued ground. A jeep parked next to an abandoned ME262 with the panels open. My favorite was a coloumn of King Tigers rolling past a wing from a Lancaster in a field. These are the things that realy need to be thought about before we decide to complain about what scale the kit may be. Once you decide on what needs be used for you Idea think what scale would best fit the idea. Then if you have to companies saying their kits are the same scale and they are not you can go ahead and complain.
MY 2 cents STUG
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 02:46 PM UTC
wow stug, thast a lot of writting and got me real confused without paragraphes( now i understand my english teachers point of view...)

but if iam right, your mentioning factors of distances between obects...at least a little and i never thought of that....makes a lot of sense. thanks for your share

but, i have to admit, 1/72 doesnt have much detail btu its cheap and enables you to do large dios.... how much would a 1/35 omaha beach dio cost? i saw a 1/35 risin landing boat from verlinden sold 200$.... you would have a huge 1/72 dio with 200$!!!

Frank
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 03:24 PM UTC

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i jsut dont get wh ythey dont abandone 1/32 planes like they did with armor( if what heavyart says is right, i wasnt modeling back then) adn go to 1/35, i mean, god, whats so hard about that...



Did you ever think that the plane guys are saying,
"I just don't get why they don't abandon 1/35 and go to 1/32 armor, I mean, god, what's so hard about that..."

Its all a matter of perspective.

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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 03:52 PM UTC
Guess this brings me up to 4 cents in the jar for this topic. But the scale for planes goes back to the old wood kits and even the carving diagrams passed to schools long before plastic models were even conceived. It realy comes down to what your nitch is in modeling as too what scale looks right. And trust me when I say this. 2 of the same vehicle in 1/35th aren't always the same size from 2 different manufacturers. The recaent Challenger 2 kits from Trumpeter and Tamiya. The K5 Leopold kits From Trumpeter and DML are in the same group as well. The same threory applies to 1/32nd scale planes, if fact it can be worse. Revel has redid their molds a couple of times for their P47 and depending on the age of the kit it can be milimeters longer or shorter than the last. It happens.


3442, the last air feild dio i saw was in 1/144 with the flak guns and vehicles scratch built while the largest was back in 2001 it was a 1/1200th scale dio of pearl harbor Dec 6th,1941. Again the scale should be dictated by the size you are willing to build. Point to this case Accurate Armour's LCT if put on base with Tanks rolling form the lowered ramp would make your base (in 1/35th) 7 to 8 ft long. You got that much space??? I don't. I got too many 1/32nd planes in markings for the all the Jolly Roger squadrons. BTW, that take up about the same amount of space as the base for LCT dio. I'd rather have the planes myself. STUG
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 04:07 PM UTC
I didn't know 1/32 was older than 1/35, but if it is, the why did they start armor models with a new scale? I know it is too late to change but complaining sure is fun!!! =
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 05:54 PM UTC
As you read this, I am attempting to meld 1/144 planes with 1/160 armor and trains.
Wish me luck!

Cuhail
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 05:57 PM UTC

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attempting to meld 1/144 planes with 1/160 armor and trains.


don't worry, I will not even be able to see them, let alone notice the scale difference.......
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 09:07 PM UTC
I think 35th is a relatively new scale. First I ever heard of it was Tamiya releases in the 70's. There was a series of 48th scale WW2 vehicles from a company called Bandai in the 70's did mainly German, but They did a few Russian, British, and American vehicles. I think they were re-released by Fuman a few years ago. And of course the old Aurora tanks from the 50-60's

The ship folks could complain too. The predominant scale is 1:700, but a few persist with 1:720
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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 04:34 PM UTC
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don't worry, I will not even be able to see them, let alone notice the scale difference.......[/quote]
Dragonslain-
I promise to post some pics! If I need to, I'll blow them up for ya! ( the pictures, not the models) :-)

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Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 05:20 PM UTC
I'm cheating--the one on the L. with the zimmerit is 1/32. It is the Monogram kit with zimmerit molded on!

Did I choose correct????????
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