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mondo
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:53 AM UTC
My friend (another avid modeller) and I have been toying with the idea of setting up our own hobbyshop for some time now. We're both abroad now so it would be like a retirment thing. So don't expect it to materialize anytime soon. Maybe in 5 years time.

We thought this up because hobby shops in the Philippines as per our experience tend to be boring and aloof or un-informative. Wouldn't it be better if a hobby shop is owned by a modeller(s)?

The thing is, I would like to know what is it that you modellistas want in a hobbyshop? Of course the variety of the kits in our inventory would be a major factor so leave that out. Our imaginary inventory by the way will include some out of the way companies like AFV Club, Alan Hobbys, Airfix, Elefant blah, blah, blah.

Also our major "come on" will be that we are willing to share, to teach or advise or have little workshops because we plan to man the store(s) ourselves rather than salepersons who can only say the name and price of the kit.

Also where is the best location? SM malls is a standard location and very expensive. My mom owns a spot in almost every SM in Luzon. Give us suggestions. Anything would be welcome.

How often do you buy kits?

How much would you spend?

Stuff like that. Cheers!!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 01:23 AM UTC
Para sa akin, siguro una yung location nya. Wag naman sa liblib na lugar. Secondly, I would ask for PE, resin and aftermarket parts since only JMN has these on stock. Also, provide more tools, equipments and supplies. For the line of kits, I would ask a lot of Tamiya, DML, AFV, Accurate Miniatures, Academy and Hasegawa kits.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 02:06 AM UTC

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We thought this up because hobby shops in the Philippines as per our experience tend to be boring and aloof or un-informative. Wouldn't it be better if a hobby shop is owned by a modeller(s)?

The thing is, I would like to know what is it that you modellistas want in a hobbyshop? Of course the variety of the kits in our inventory would be a major factor so leave that out. Our imaginary inventory by the way will include some out of the way companies like AFV Club, Alan Hobbys, Airfix, Elefant blah, blah, blah.

Also our major "come on" will be that we are willing to share, to teach or advise or have little workshops because we plan to man the store(s) ourselves rather than salepersons who can only say the name and price of the kit.

Also where is the best location? SM malls is a standard location and very expensive. My mom owns a spot in almost every SM in Luzon. Give us suggestions. Anything would be welcome.

How often do you buy kits?

How much would you spend?

Stuff like that. Cheers!!



As far as I know it would really be a big factor if the owner's are modelers themselves. You'll be able to know the ins & outs of the craft & that's what your customers would be looking for. What to sell? If you set your business up like in Manila, I suggest that you stock up on a wide inventory of stuffs. From the looks of it, serious hobbyist tends to buy just everything that gets their attention even if they still have tons of unbuilt kits.
Anyway I hope that this proposed business venture of yours materializes. Good luck.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 02:08 AM UTC
hmmm good plan!
ok rin ung mga suggestions ni shonen
kung sa location man... hmmm... choose a place na alam ng lahat puntahan. wag nga sa lib lib.. hehehe. , i think most of the modelers residing in manila has no problem going to hobby shops, mapa-mass transit man o car. modelers living outside manila,hmm... nsnay na cguro ako kkpunta sa lil's o jmn! kyang kya nyan! hehehe

kung gusto nyo gwa kyo workshop! ahahaha :-)
:-) :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 02:14 AM UTC
Mondo,

Hope you do put it up someday. The things we are in short supply here are the following:

1. Reference materials (Detail & Scale, Squadron, Lock On, etc.);
2. Aftermarket items (PE, decals, conversion parts, etc).

Hope this helps.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 03:00 AM UTC

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Mondo,

Hope you do put it up someday. The things we are in short supply here are the following:

1. Reference materials (Detail & Scale, Squadron, Lock On, etc.);
2. Aftermarket items (PE, decals, conversion parts, etc).

Hope this helps.



Yeah that already crossed my mind. But on average, how much do you guys shell out on a kit and how often do you buy in a year? Tamiya, DML or Revell have ex-deals with local distributors such as Lils or JMN. If I have to stock them then It'll be more expensive than if you buy them direct from the distributors. So my list of products won't comprise much of those mentioned above.


Ooops! Quiting time. I'll continue a la maniana.... ... hasta lluego!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 03:45 AM UTC
Hi Mondo,

I think you have a great idea there. On the average, I spend 1,500 pesos a month on kits. If I REALLY like the single kit, I will spend 5,000 for it.

If you can stock up on the following, it would be great: Reference books, 1/72 armour kits and PE sets, and specialized tools. BTW, JMN and Hobbies and Comics are owned by modelers. Also, running a purely plastic model shop (without Tamiya, Academy, Revell) is possible but difficult to sustain. Anyway, best of luck in your business plan. I look forward to hanging-out (and buying things) in your shop.

Wanze
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 05:02 AM UTC
I also wanna add some:

- affordable and reasonably priced hobbyist tools. Those Academy and Tamiya tools sold in STC are ridiculously priced. It's also really quite hard to hop from hardware store to hardware store to look for equivalent tools (ex. brands from Eagle, KYK, etc.) being sold at a less price but the same or better quality than those from STC.
- complete set of Gunze-Sangyo, Tamiya, or Model Master paints.
- airbrush, spare parts and, equipments. (Badger, Paasche, Iwata, Aztec.... etc.)
- plasti-sheets.
- cast resin ingredients.
- a shop in Alabang please.... dalawa lang hobby shops s'amin dito.... parehong STC pa. (Buti na lang I heard na palugi yung Hobbitoi in ATC)
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 06:23 AM UTC
Hello Mondo,
If I may, I would like to share with you my experience on owning and running a hobby shop here in the Philippines. I owned a hobby shop in Shangrila from 1993 to 1998. My shop then carried RC planes, choppers, cars and a few boats, as well as the parts for all these and of course, plastic models. Back then the economy was good, the dollar was 26 to 1, and kits were relatively cheap(I recall the most expensive Tamiya armor kits at the time were the new Panther series selling at P498!). The bulk of my sales and profits were from the RC lines. Especially when the "almost-ready-to-fly" kits came out as these were easy to build and could get customers flying in days rather than weeks or even months building a kit. The models were selling okay, especially when I met the guys of the club which I am a proud and happy member of at present. Then of course, the first asian crisis hit us, causing the peso to take a nose dive into the abyss. And since all of the items I carried were imported, they suddenly became expensive to both me and my customers. The mall I was in also wanted to hit me with an increase in rent. With a double whammy staring me in the face, I decided to close shop. Looking back, it may have been a bad decision to close down because after 18 months, the Mini 4 Wheel Drive craze hit the Philippines. Now everyone wanted to open a hobby shop carrying M4WD items alone. In September of 2000, I opened another hobby shop in the Katipunan area. The store did well until the impeachment trials begun. The fad began to fade, until it eventually died. A short time later though, the Beyblade craze started, helping with the sales of the store. But that also didn't last long as most of the afficionados were kids, unlike with M4WD wherein EVERYBODY was in on it. I also carried RC cars and that also did well, but, I had no track to put my customers in. I referred them to the other tracks owned by other shops and naturally, they became their customers as well. In all that time, I also carried models. Anyway, with no new fad to boost sales of my store, and with only models and paint to sell, I had to close shop in Aug. of 2003. So what am I saying.

If you noticed, all the hobby shops here in the Philippines carry other lines as well. There is no "pure" modelling shop here as most also carry comics, toys, trading cards, computer and playstation games/consoles, radio control, die cast, action figures and even synthetic/artificial soil! Anything to increase the critical mass of the store, to boost sales and most importantly, to turn a profit or at the very least, survive. That entails money, of which sadly I did not have enough of. I tried to be that "pure" modeling shop, much to the likes of B&D Hobbies of the 80s, and Lil's of the 70s. But even they had to modify their inventories. In fact, there are three hobby shops here specializing in RC cars only and they are surviving, since a set already involves a substantial amount of money. Let's face it, the modeling community here in the Philippines is nothing compared to Japan, the US, Europe, or even Hong Kong. The demographics of a typical modeller would be a an employed/professional male, mid-20s to 60 years of age, with average modelling skills. As for his buying/spending power? Not a whole lot since most modelers already have what they want, acquired through the years and only wait for the newer stuff. Aftermarket stuff junkies? Very few which is why nobody in the local industry keeps them in stock, at least not in substantial quantities. What some of the hobby shops do is just order them when modelers want them - indent orders, in other words. Then, of course, there's the internet. Where one can easily get the stuff one needs.

Another consideration is supply. Tamiya and Italeri have an exclusive distributor here(Lil's). So does Revell-Germany(JMN). So it would be logical to acquire these particular brands from the distributors than get them from a wholesaler elsewhere. Your prices would only be higher and here, price matters. Academy will sell to anyone, that means everyone will have it. Hasegawa, Revell USA, Promodeler, the defunct Skybow, AFV Club are free-for-alls so it boils down to a price war with these brands. Trumpeter, Dragon and Panda are being battled by Lil's and another store. The sci-fi brands like Bandai are also a free-for-all. Which leaves the Eastern European and English brands. Frankly I would like to see a lot more of these in the hobby shops but the quality is still not at par with the Asian brands. And more than average modelling skills are needed to build them, what with multimedia parts, making them intimidating to beginners.

Bottom line is, you need a lot of capital, a good inventory, a good location. And of course, good patronage.

So there you have it. I hope my input did not discourage you, as that wasn't my intention. Just sharing my inputs and experience. If ever you do open up a hobby shop, I will definitely gravitate to it.

By the way, modesty aside, I don't think I have ever been labeled boring, aloof or un-informative by anyone. On the contrary, I gave my all and more to the two shops I owned. In fact, was even abused by the "customer/friends" I accomodated. Which is why even when I closed my stores, I still had customers.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 07:28 AM UTC
Was waiting for Bull's input. Hehe! Galing nang pagkaexplain mo sir.

I hope your plans on putting up shop mondo pushes through, and flourishes. May tambayan na diba? Haha!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 11:41 AM UTC
What ever happened to the proposed/planned "e-shop" of Crismag? Crismag, can you comment?

A bricks-and-mortars shop might be expensive and unsustainable in the long run, considering that there's already considerable competition (i.e. STC, Lils, JMN). An "e-shop" catering to local modellers would be better IMO, specializing in hard-to-get items like PE, AM parts, and the like. Payment will be in the form of COD for those without credit cards. Free delivery or delivery of the kit to the buyer at a minimum fee would be nice hehehehe

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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:47 PM UTC
Hey Bull,

Yeah, I remember your store... sayang lang talaga kasi I seldom go to Shangrila, Kung pumupunta naman ako kasama ko wifey ko kaya off limits ako.. heheh. I wasn't even sure if Jojo Nicholas bought the PBY Catalina in your store. Those were the days!!

Shop owners here in the Greater Toronto Area are also modelers. Dave Scheel the owner of Military Hobbies use to have all his stock in his garage. You see he actually started in a mail-order business before going into retail. So he rented a very small space where he has these wall to wall stocks of kits( I just love going to that place)So I think aside from having a your own shop , why not consider mail order( oops only problem is the courier and Post Office sa atin)

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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 01:42 PM UTC

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What ever happened to the proposed/planned "e-shop" of Crismag? Crismag, can you comment?

A bricks-and-mortars shop might be expensive and unsustainable in the long run, considering that there's already considerable competition (i.e. STC, Lils, JMN). An "e-shop" catering to local modellers would be better IMO, specializing in hard-to-get items like PE, AM parts, and the like. Payment will be in the form of COD for those without credit cards. Free delivery or delivery of the kit to the buyer at a minimum fee would be nice hehehehe




Manilahobbies.com started out as an e-store. The owner, a friend of mine, eventually opened a shop in the St. Ignatius/Katipunan area. He carries RC cars. According to him, the e-store was doing okay, so I asked him why the need for an actual shop? He said that hobbyists wanted a place to "chill out" among the "toys." Although he does say that the e-store was more profitable and less stressful. And I guess that was also my reason for trying to stay open. Guys liked to hang out in the shop amidst the models. I myself would spend a lot of time there, sometimes just looking at the kits. I would even open sealed ones just to look inside, which is why opening kits for customers to see was never a problem for me. And like Jomz said, tambayan. After our meetings at UP we usually troop to the shop and stay there. I would open it since there came a time when I already close the shop on Sundays. Like I said, those were good times.

An specialized e-shop would be good. Most people say that you really don't need the real estate nowadays. The problem is just shipping, as it's very expensive to have items shipped from England, the US etc. In fact, some of us are already doing that.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 06:15 PM UTC

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Hello Mondo,
If I may, I would like to share with you my experience on owning and running a hobby shop here in the Philippines. I owned a hobby shop in Shangrila from 1993 to 1998. My shop then carried RC planes, choppers, cars and a few boats, as well as the parts for all these and of course, plastic models. Back then the economy was good, the dollar was 26 to 1, and kits were relatively cheap(I recall the most expensive Tamiya armor kits at the time were the new Panther s....................


of the 70s. But even they had to modify their inventories. In fact, there are three hobby shops here specializing in RC cars only and they are surviving, since a set already involves a substantial amount of money. Let's face it, the modeling community here in the Philippines is nothing compared to Japan, the US, Europe, or even Hong Kong. The demographics of a typical modeller would be a an employed/professional male, mid-20s to 60 years of age, with average modelling skills. As for his buying/spending power? Not a whole lot since most modelers already have what they want, acquired through the years and only wait for the newer stuff. Aftermarket stuff junkies? Very few which is why nobody in the local industry keeps them in stock, at least not in substantial quantities. What some of the hobby shops do is just order them when modelers want them - indent orders, in other words. Then, of course, there's the internet. Where one can easily get the stuff one needs.

Another consideration is supply. Tamiya and Italeri have an exclusive distributor here(Lil's). So does Revell-Germany(JMN). So it would be logical to acquire these particular brands from the distributors than get them from a wholesaler elsewhere. Your prices would only be higher ..........

By the way, modesty aside, I don't think I have ever been labeled boring, aloof or un-informative by anyone. On the contrary, I gave my all and more to the two shops I owned. In fact, was even abused by the "customer/friends" I accomodated. Which is why even when I closed my stores, I still had customers.




Don't quit your day job boy!!! Yeah like the "pali-isdaan" nowadays can't survive growing bangus alone. They had to include a pigery on the lot for diversity.

Yeah that exchange rate thing really sucks though. Part of my job (I don't know how this really became a part of my job) is tracking echange rates between Saudi and the Euro and placing orders on strategic times. Especially now that every time FPJ opens his mouth, the market then just have fits! Really bad for importers.

Well that really gives me something to think about. Diversify. I have no qualms selling Anime or mecha kits. Except for the risque/ultra sexy stuff anyway. Aftermarket stuff would really have to be limited to kits that are very popular like the Abrams, Bradley or M113's. or any of those aircraft thingies. I really don't know much about aircraft. Wargaming is a minor interest for me but could also prove to be lucrative. I've got two kits lying around somewhere in the amidst the mess called my room. Providing COD's for guys with no Credit cards is something to think about. Then again, coupling it with a web base is also a good idea.

Actually this business wouldn't be about making a living out of it. Just enough to turn out a decent profit after operations cost blah blah blah... ... I have other things as well. I don't think it'll make me enough money to buy us a CRV, cash. Our motivation is more about fun. But of course it will take a lot of our time too in the beginning stage. Not to mention money. Any business will.

So keep the comments coming. I've already learned a lot.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 06:21 PM UTC
Mondo: In my opinion the problem here in the Philippines is that most Filipinos are not familiar with scale modeling . Some of them think it is just a toy. During the time I rre-entered modeling, my wife often tells me that I'm just wasting money, but now that is not the case. Once she saw the products of my labor she even suggests some ideas on how to improve it or what alternatives I could use..for scratchbuilding.

I think very few people are afraid of trying scale modeling because they do not know where or how to start. In short, no one is marketing the idea. I think the idea of giving workshops to modelers is one way of attracting more people into the scene.

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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 09:51 PM UTC
This may sound rather unusual, why not also a lounge or a workshop for modellers, regardless of skill level can congregate and if anybody needs help in improving their skills, this is also the place.

It would also be nice if there are parts for airbrushes, a wide variety of paints.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:01 PM UTC
That's a nice idea 4-Eyes! Put the workbench against the glass wall so everyone who passes by can see what's going on. Pinoys are naturally curious so that's a big store attraction already. It will also dispel the myth that we're just playing with toys because they can now see the time and effort we put into our models.
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