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'Britain's sickest toy'
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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 10:40 PM UTC
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6147205/Is-Britains-SICKEST-toy.html

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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 11:09 PM UTC
Same as a German,Russian,French,Italian,North African,Belgian ruin from WWII,just another diorama accessory,whats the big deal ?
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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 11:24 PM UTC
They're making a load of assumptions. I remember a number of wrecked buildings marketed for train layouts called "urban renewal " or under construction. There was even one "IRS on fire".

How do they know it's not being demolished for village renewal by the US corps of engineers as actually happens in Afghanistan? Or under construction or repair?

Assume the negative that no doubt fits a political narrative against the coalition actions in that troubled country or whatever.

Such things depend on context whether theres a tank next to it or a bulldozer.

It's a representation in miniature of a partially built or demolished stone building. Whatever else, is solely what the observer brings to it.
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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 11:37 PM UTC
"Fake news"?

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Posted: Monday, September 10, 2018 - 11:38 PM UTC

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Same as a German,Russian,French,Italian,North African,Belgian ruin from WWII,just another diorama accessory,whats the big deal ?



or any of the machines, on land or in the air, manned or unmanned, which are used to create ruins.
Time to take a look at all the aircraft which reduced European and Japanese cities to ruins.
Go ahead and condemn war and take war out of the human genome first before whining about the effects of war.
If you can't take the sight of blood then get out of the kitchen while the meat is being prepared for dinner.
Don't moan about blood while eating the steak.
If a nation goes to war it goes to war, whining about the by products, i.e. ruins and corpses, afterwards is just idiotic.
Is that what they call "hypocrisy"?

On the other hand: Someone could use this diorama accessory to depict the horrors of war as a sort of anti-war statement.
Challenge given free of charge to any pacifist who wants to accept it

/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 03:31 AM UTC
I wonder what would happen if they ever browsed a Verlinden catalog?
https://www.ebay.com/p/Verlinden-Productions-1-35-Scale-Bombed-out-Street-Resin-Diorama-House-Kit-2492/665466909

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Verlinden-1-35-Street-Corner-Section-w-Destroyed-Building-Diorama-Base-WWII-426/201851678564?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3D570ee07d98be4a579cc83795232fa0df%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26mehot%3Dlo%26sd%3D180706560588%26itm%3D201851678564&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

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https://www.michtoy.com/item-PSI-6510-WWII_Bombed_Out_Tall_City_Building.html

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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 04:12 AM UTC
Looks like that would have been a PITA to scratch build.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 04:20 AM UTC



Severely "weathered" underwear in need of a washing machine??

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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 04:24 AM UTC




P.S. Still looking for ISIS flag decals.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 04:26 AM UTC
Thanks for reminding me why I don't read the daily mail
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 05:43 AM UTC
Political correctness at its worst. It is a truly sad commentary on the actions of some in media who think there's a story here, and the politicians everywhere who would pick on a model manufacturer instead of getting down to the business of true social injustice. War is hell, we know that. Model and toy manufacturers, artists, even political activists off all kinds and stripes have exploited it for thousands of years for their own purposes. Yet it's not the model manufacturers who pay taxes that will ignore those truly in need, brush-off the murder of innocents, be soft on crime, and claim outrage and offense when they think it suits thier need with "yellow journalism" or "political correctness". I for one doubt the motives of these individuals. Why don't they concentrate on what matters instead of picking out this tiny example of historical reproduction? Would they disdain the depiction of the Blitz in 1940? Or the destruction of Dresden or the Mohn River Dams? I'm not just picking on the Brits alone here-- we have plenty of folk who are revolted at our "history" on this side of the pond--without even knowing what they speak of. Let's let the Historians discuss the "History" involved, and the philosophers philosophize about righteousnoess, and save the "righteous indignation" and "condemnation" for something that really matters-- not some model diorama aid. I personally have no interest in this model, but others may need it or want it to depict accuracy. Personally I find some TV shows and movies more offensive than this. The destruction depicted in them is often more wanton. Where Airfix made thier mistake was labeling this as "Afghan". After all, it's not that the Taliban hasn't done this to their own people. Maybe Airfix would have been better off depicting Isis and Taliban destruction of UNESCO world heritage sites-- would that have been more acceptable to these hypocrites? Sorry for the rant-- in the end I suspect most folks who visit Kitmaker will understand the Daily Mail article and the politics behind it are "Tripe" at its best.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 06:07 AM UTC

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Political correctness at its worst. It is a truly sad commentary on the actions of some in media who think there's a story here, and the politicians everywhere who would pick on a model manufacturer instead of getting down to the business of true social injustice. War is hell, we know that. Model and toy manufacturers, artists, even political activists off all kinds and stripes have exploited it for thousands of years for their own purposes. Yet it's not the model manufacturers who pay taxes that will ignore those truly in need, brush-off the murder of innocents, be soft on crime, and claim outrage and offense when they think it suits thier need with "yellow journalism" or "political correctness". I for one doubt the motives of these individuals. Why don't they concentrate on what matters instead of picking out this tiny example of historical reproduction? Would they disdain the depiction of the Blitz in 1940? Or the destruction of Dresden or the Mohn River Dams? I'm not just picking on the Brits alone here-- we have plenty of folk who are revolted at our "history" on this side of the pond--without even knowing what they speak of. Let's let the Historians discuss the "History" involved, and the philosophers philosophize about righteousnoess, and save the "righteous indignation" and "condemnation" for something that really matters-- not some model diarama aid. I personally have no interest in this model, but others may need it or want it to depict accuracy. Personally I find some TV shows and movies more offensive than this. The destruction depicted in them is often more wanton. Where Airfix made thier mistake was labeling this as "Afghan". After all, it's not that the Taliban hasn't done this to their own people. Maybe Airfix would have been better off depicting Isis and Taliban destruction of UNESCO world heritage sites-- would that have been more acceptable to these hypocrites? Sorry for the rant-- in the end I suspect most folks who visit Kitmaker will understand the Daily Mail article and the politics behind it are "Tripe" at its best.
VR, Russ



Well put.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 07:19 AM UTC
At least the readers are calling out the DM in the comment section.

All this virtue signaling by various companies has got to stop; I boycott ones who pull this crap.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 07:37 AM UTC
I suspect that it was a slow news day and this story is the result. I would not be surprised if AirFix released a product called 'Afghan Ruin' for sale, but the important part is that I suspect the rest of the story is made up to rattle people and gain viewers.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 07:48 AM UTC
And to think Britain was once called Great...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 09:11 AM UTC

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And to think Britain was once called Great...



I still think of it that way, and lest you folks in the “Mother Country” feel otherwise, we offspring over here have more than our share of this same “politically correct”. “bologna” followed by a hefty slice of newsroom “cheese” here too. To me, it rivals what’s printed in our “National Inquirer” rag. Not much real news, but a load of what my grandmother called “malarkey”, designed to sell the news. “Huckster” also comes to mind, fitting both the politician and the enabling media.. If only we could learn to tell the truth. By the way, I’m no fan of the current administration in our country, but some of what has been said about the media has some basis, ironic it’s come from an investment actor who knows how to “push buttons” too. I respect freedom of the press, but frankly, it sometimes reminds me of a James Bond movie I saw a few years ago— where sales depend on what the media stirs up on its own. This is a perfect example. Shame on all involved (I guess that includes all of us commenting here too). But Britain is still Great, hopefully always will be.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 09:21 AM UTC

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"Fake news"?




Was that article timed for today ?

Cheers



Oh then there was this kind tribute (Ya there's still a lot of Great in GB)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwrX-LN9-L0

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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 09:43 AM UTC

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"Fake news"?




Was that article timed for today ?

Cheers





I guess I'm to old to really understand the term "fake news". What the heck does that term actually mean? On the other hand, I'm old enough to recognize B.S. (bovine scatology) when I see it. "Fake News" is just another term for yellow journalism-- and the current administration also uses it to produce its own brand of "Fake News"-- so in reality, it's a meaningless term for spouting ones propaganda agenda or a convenient term for dismissing a news item one doesn't agree with. But the date has not escaped me, which could be why am so stirred up by this article in the Daily Fail. I guess moreso because I lost a friend and mentor in the Pentagon 17 years ago. I find it strange that he didn't die in combat, having survived the Vietnam war and 30 years of service, only to die by being hit with an airplane comandered by egotistical zealots. So I guess I have no sympathy for stupid politicians feigning an issue over a model of a bombed out Afghan house. Sorry, I'm done commenting now-- my friend would say "get over it".
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 10:00 AM UTC
I almost joined your friend. I was at the WTC that day working.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 10:06 AM UTC

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"Fake news"?




Was that article timed for today ?

Cheers





I guess I'm to old to really understand the term "fake news". What the heck does that term actually mean? On the other hand, I'm old enough to recognize B.S. (bovine scatology) when I see it. "Fake News" is just another term for yellow journalism-- and the current administration also uses it to produce its own brand of "Fake News"-- so in reality, it's a meaningless term for spouting ones propaganda agenda or a convenient term for dismissing a news item one doesn't agree with. But the date has not escaped me, which could be why am so stirred up by this article in the Daily Fail. I guess moreso because I lost a friend and mentor in the Pentagon 17 years ago. I find it strange that he didn't die in combat, having survived the Vietnam war and 30 years of service, only to die by being hit with an airplane comandered by egotistical zealots. So I guess I have no sympathy for stupid politicians feigning an issue over a model of a bombed out Afghan house. Sorry, I'm done commenting now-- my friend would say "get over it".
VR, Russ



My point is this is fake news in its purest sense--it's not news, but a news outlet decided to make it a story anyway. As Darren alluded; whatever it takes to drum up business....

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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 10:16 AM UTC
Yep we are turning into a sorry place, glad I am on the way out.
Hate to see it in another 20 years.
Attacking models now.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 11:41 AM UTC
I think some have missed the point of the way the Mail presents their stories, politically correct hardly describes that paper by any means, as most in the UK would know. It's a "so and so said this, and someone else said that" type story, and the journo phones a couple more people to get their view, and hey presto it's written itself for pennies.

I actually thought it was quite balanced, and no one actually called for it to be banned.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 12:57 PM UTC

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I think some have missed the point of the way the Mail presents their stories, politically correct hardly describes that paper by any means, as most in the UK would know. It's a "so and so said this, and someone else said that" type story, and the journo phones a couple more people to get their view, and hey presto it's written itself for pennies.

I actually thought it was quite balanced, and no one actually called for it to be banned.



Well, that's why I called it "The Daily Fail" in my post above. As I said I guess I'm a little sensitive on this day.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 - 11:12 PM UTC
It is hard to believe that this actually qualifies as a story in a newspaper. Whats next, a ban on military figures? Some of these journalists have too much time on their hands.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - 06:40 AM UTC
There's no such thing as a real story for the daily mail, just heaps of meaningless BS.
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