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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 05:59 AM UTC
I've just finished reading the book "CORREGIDOR : THE ROCK FORCE ASSAULT" that GI lent to me...(Thank you GI! ^_^)

As I went to the end of the book, there was one entry there that caught my attention. I've quoted it below:

Corregidor - After the war, the US built an elaborate Pacific War Memorial and Museum on Topside. Today, the Memorial and ALL of Corregidor are in a state onf abject neglect. The Philippine Government has appropriated no funds for the Island's upkeep.

The island was scavenged daw, pati yung mga artillery pieces at yung mga bakal-bakal dun....It's been desecrated!

Grrr!! Why did great government allow this to happen?

*sensya na...February 25 na kse....Pero totoo nmn tlga...Kailangan alagaan yung lugar na yun....

*too much influence from Patton....
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 09:15 AM UTC

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The island was scavenged daw, pati yung mga artillery pieces at yung mga bakal-bakal dun....It's been desecrated!


Well it must be TRUE.. kasi kahit si SR pumunta sa Pangasinan desecrated din mga "Armor" collection. TSK, TSK
And if we think about scavengers ng..."baka-bakal" Let's just think of those open manholes..and kawad nang kuryente. Hmmmm, magkano kay nila binebenta yun
GIBeregovoy
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 10:14 AM UTC
Economics. Government has no money. You finished the book already?!? That was FAST!

Who here preferred the gun emplacements unpainted, in their original rusty relics, not the current green? I was a bit disappointed at seeing the guns were painted over with green paint rather than staying orange rust.
El-Jefe
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 12:22 PM UTC

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I've just finished reading the book "CORREGIDOR : THE ROCK FORCE ASSAULT" that GI lent to me...(Thank you GI! ^_^)

As I went to the end of the book, there was one entry there that caught my attention. I've quoted it below:

Corregidor - After the war, the US built an elaborate Pacific War Memorial and Museum on Topside. Today, the Memorial and ALL of Corregidor are in a state onf abject neglect. The Philippine Government has appropriated no funds for the Island's upkeep.

The island was scavenged daw, pati yung mga artillery pieces at yung mga bakal-bakal dun....It's been desecrated!

Grrr!! Why did great government allow this to happen?

*sensya na...February 25 na kse....Pero totoo nmn tlga...Kailangan alagaan yung lugar na yun....

*too much influence from Patton....


That was true in the years after the war but the government placed Corregidor under the control fo the DOT and funds started coming in for the restoration and keep of the island. The other islands, Caballo, Carabao, El Fraile are still under the miltary reservoir area. It was best that they leave the damaged structures as is to give it a nostalgic and historical appearance. To rebuild the whole island, you would need a billion pesos (its like rebuilding a city).

As for the gun batteries, a lot of them fell prey to scrappers in the 50s and 60s. Corregidor, Caballo, El Fraile were still lucky that there are armament remains. Carabao (Fort Frank) was not as lucky as their two 14-inch guns and eight 12-inch mortars have been totally scrapped. Even the re-bars of the tunnel and building structures did not escape the furry of of the scrappers. Same goes with the other islands and the demise and deterioration of the buildings were caused by this activity.

Today, things are much better than before but I fear that it has to much commecialism. However if it brings money for the preservation and keep of the island then that's OK with me. We just give them the technical and historical expertise.

As for Flannagan's book, there were errors. One thing that I cant stomach is that he named Batter Crocket as the main battery of Corregidor. It should have been Batteries Smith and Hearn. Crockett never even got to fire against the enemy during the entire was and was only used to fire "Chilean Fuses" -- an experiment so that armor piercing shells can be detonated quickly in use for land targets as they were low on high explosive shells.

FWIW,
El Jefe
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 08:26 PM UTC
I hope DOT does a good job of prserving it..Medyo nakakabanas din kse yung pagpinta nila ng green sa mga kanyon....Well, I guess that's to prevent further damage due to rust and weathering....

It sitll needs help...I hope the next president can do something about this...Kakahiya kse dun sa mga kano at hapon na dumadalaw...

They should also do something about those visitors na nagkakalat... I remember seeing piles of junk food wrappers and mineral water bottles dun sa loob ang ammo room sa Battery Way...Sayang nmn...
El-Jefe
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 12:02 AM UTC
Again, the correct way to paint is to have it stripped down before applying a new coat. Oh well, ganyan talaga. Originally, the guns were painted OD. -- same with the carriages. Up toknow there are still rnning debates on the final color of the guns but I am certain that they were OD when the war broke out...
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 12:50 PM UTC

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I've just finished reading the book "CORREGIDOR : THE ROCK FORCE ASSAULT" that GI lent to me...(Thank you GI! ^_^)

As I went to the end of the book, there was one entry there that caught my attention. I've quoted it below:

Corregidor - After the war, the US built an elaborate Pacific War Memorial and Museum on Topside. Today, the Memorial and ALL of Corregidor are in a state onf abject neglect. The Philippine Government has appropriated no funds for the Island's upkeep.

The island was scavenged daw, pati yung mga artillery pieces at yung mga bakal-bakal dun....It's been desecrated!

Grrr!! Why did great government allow this to happen?

*sensya na...February 25 na kse....Pero totoo nmn tlga...Kailangan alagaan yung lugar na yun....

*too much influence from Patton....


It would not be fair if we blame the DOT all the time for negligence. Blame it partly on the people for their ignorance and lack of appreciation of history.
blitz
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 01:04 PM UTC
That's exactly what I am saying..... I agree with 4Eyes.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:26 PM UTC
Hi guys,

My comment is Off Topic!! I agree that the DOT is not to blame. Anyway, littering and lack of discipline is the culprit and not just ignorance of history. Everytime I step on a wad of gum is a reminder of it, candy wrappers, and the various cigarette butts on the road.

A war memorial is basically also a cemetary of sorts and majority of the populace treats it the same way every Nov. 1-2 in the regular cemetary. Majority of people are not civic-minded because they don't see the totality of the government/state system and the benefits that it can provide for them. Moreover, they don't realize the required social and individual sacrifices that go into the development of a democratic state ( America is still a growing democracy and still has a long way to go). Very few of the intelligensia or informed are "action" oriented , they just whine a lot on TV and stuff. Moreover, the ones who do take action, do it for their own political interest.

Hey guys, I'm not advocating revolution or anything. We just do our own little bit for the community, family, and friends. My mom always reminded me that an individual is always a part of a whole community. The individual's good and bad actions always affects the whole. So (one should) act responsibly and be an asset to the whole (without expecing laurels and honours). Wow, naks! I guess this approach has guided me at work, school, and anything that involves social interaction.

My two centavos worth.
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Posted: Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 04:29 AM UTC
Well, kung si FPJ ang magiging next president natin, di niya pababayaan yan. Dont you guys ever forget, marami siyang pinatay na hapones. Kaya bubuhayin niya ang lugar kung saan lumaban ang mga Pinoy laban sa mga hapones.

In the words of FPJ:

Ah... Ahhmm.... Bukas, lilipad and lawin papuntang Corregidor.
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Posted: Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 11:31 AM UTC

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Well, kung si FPJ ang magiging next president natin, di niya pababayaan yan. Dont you guys ever forget, marami siyang pinatay na hapones. Kaya bubuhayin niya ang lugar kung saan lumaban ang mga Pinoy laban sa mga hapones.

In the words of FPJ:

Ah... Ahhmm.... Bukas, lilipad and lawin papuntang Corregidor.


Baka pa nga alisin niya ang Japanese "Peace" Memorial doon hehehehe!

El Jefe: Perhaps don't have the guns painted. Seeing them in their rusty condition is more dramatic. Painting them in that garish, 'glossy' green makes them look artificial and unreal. Perhaps a "clear coat" to protect them from rusting further, at the same time preserving the original look? After all, the Sistine Chapel's last restoration was done by stripping off, among others, un-original paint to show the original. Perhaps the same can be done in those batteries already painted up - strip the current paint, leave 'em look rusty?
Yari
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Posted: Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:57 AM UTC
We pinoys are really fond of the garish and borloloy! Corregidor is the sad reflection of the state itself. A victim of greed, neglect and apathy.

And what of Fort Drum(Did I spell that right?), the Concrete Battleship? Yun bang Concrete edifice sa gitna na Manila Bay and Corregidor? Ilan pa bang Pinoy ang nakakaalala sa significance of that structure?
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Posted: Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 10:52 AM UTC
Ako nakakaala and hindi lang Fort Drum, pati Forts Mills, Hughes, Frank, Wint and even the supposed to be built forts that most dont even know.... HD of Manila and Subic bays and the Bataan campaign is right up my alley and you can include airfields, airstrips and seaplane bases all over the Philippines
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