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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 06:29 PM UTC
Hi, I'm new to this so sorry if this is in the wrong place, but on eBay there is a diorama with the title "1/35 scale jagdpanzer 38 (t) diorama" and I have been wondering why it won't sell so I thought it wise to ask for others opinion on the matter, thanks. Your feedback would be much appreciated.
p.s. the model is mine.
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 07:21 PM UTC
George,
Sorry but I think it's the price. £180 is a chunk of money, and there is always a difficulty getting people to pay for your time. Just go to any craft fair and look at the prices there. The problem is most people know the cost of the kit and you have to get past the "I could do that for a lot less myself" feelings.
Of course I may be wrong. If you are a multi-award winner your stuff should command a premium.
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 07:25 PM UTC
Hi, thank you for your feedback. £180 is a lot but it cost £130 to build. how much do you think is a reasonable price?
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 07:45 PM UTC
Can you give a link?

Have you won gold at a major modelling competition, like Euromilitaire or similar?

Only masterpieces from master modellers command high prices.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 07:52 PM UTC
how do you create a link?
No, I've not won any competitions (never entered one). Other than the price are there any other issues with the diorama? This feedback is very helpful, thank you.
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 09:37 PM UTC
Copy and paste the website of where your model is listed so we can see the eBay auction.

Copy and paste it in a reply here.
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 10:16 PM UTC
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-35-SCALE-JAGDPANZER-38-T-DIORAMA-/172030606509?hash=item280dd2bcad:g:aWUAAOSwZ1lWcBN5
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 10:26 PM UTC
No figures.
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 10:40 PM UTC
Thank you all for your feedback, it has been very helpful.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 01:48 AM UTC
It looks like ok work, thats not the problem. The market for built stuff is small. you will not find a buyer the same day you list it. A serious drawback is your feedback profile of only 6 transactions. Many Ebayers will not do business with a newb. furthermore, by not embracing worldwide shipping you have cropped the tiny pool of potential buyers to an even smaller proportion of the Ebay world inside the UK. Learn about international post.

how long has it been available? a week ? a month? keep relisting it, and buy some stuff to get your feedback score up.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 02:12 AM UTC
Hi, thank you for your feedback, this diorama has been up for a few days. I have been trying to sell similar things for a few months now with no luck, I have bought a number of things of eBay (models of course), but the sellers haven't given feedback yet. I will include international postage next time I list it or something similar.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 04:39 AM UTC
I would echo what other posters have said in that dioramas and built models have a very small market and you may have to wait for a long time to sell it. Coupled with that, you are only shipping to the UK and have stated, quite rightly, that it is delicate and may be damaged in shipping.

As for the price, if the parts in the model cost 130GBP and you are asking 150, they you have priced it way too low. 20 Pounds for labour and skill with, I would guess, 50 hours work, so 40p an hour for your work. You area devaluing it.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 02:38 PM UTC
Hi, thanks for your comments. Postage is an issue I'll address, as to is the number of eBay feedback points. but as far as price goes I agree with the last comments that the price is too low because I'd make £27 ,roughly, from this diorama which for 3 weeks work (6-9 hours a day) is not much.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 07:30 PM UTC
I would suggest you work on your photography as the images are very dark, I have cleaned this one up. as regards improvements I would say the issue is a lack of life in the scene, there is no story.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 07:32 PM UTC
For that kinda dough I would be looking for a nameplate as well...
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 08:13 PM UTC

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I would suggest you work on your photography as the images are very dark, I have cleaned this one up. as regards improvements I would say the issue is a lack of life in the scene, there is no story.



Hi, the photographs do need work, I'm trying sort out the focus on the camera but getting nowhere. The photo you've cleaned up looks good, thanks. I'm trying to portray the vehicle going through the rubble, I will add something to portray that motion. or maybe some alpine miniatures? not too sure yet. thank you for your feedback.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 08:15 PM UTC

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For that kinda dough I would be looking for a nameplate as well...



Hi, thank you your feedback, a nameplate would be nice I'll certainly look into getting one.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 10:20 PM UTC
It's better than I thought it would be, not sure if it's worth your asking price but not bad.

One thing that looks very strange and amateurish is the lack of paint on the front fender supports, are they indeed naked brass?

The diorama looks good, but the vehicle finish is not up to award winning standard.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 10:27 PM UTC

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It's better than I thought it would be, not sure if it's worth your asking price but not bad.

One thing that looks very strange and amateurish is the lack of paint on the front fender supports, are they indeed naked brass?

The diorama looks good, but the vehicle finish is not up to award winning standard.

Cheers,

Christophe




Hi, the front fender supports are painted and weathered like the rest of the model, but the light does make them look odd.
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2015 - 12:46 PM UTC
You have been hit with a ton of feedback, I haven't read it all, so if my thoughts are things that you have read already just take in the new stuff I mention...here are my thoughts:

Some Positive:

Nice job on the building and rubble.

Kudo's to you for being brave and putting it up here - asking for and accepting the feedback without taking offense....

Area's of Improvement......In my opinion of course

The photos could stand to be crisper there is some blur.

What's the story? What is going on? Is the Hetzer parked??

Figures....it needs some

Name plate...needs one

Things are bordering on being rather square, I would have placed the wall section at more of an angle. The Hetzer is slightly angled to the base, which is good..

You made the comment about a small profit margin based on the work you have put in. To build a client base and get a name for yourself on the way to commanding a good price will most likely involve in breaking even, perhaps taking a loss, but at this stage of the game to put a price on your time is not wise...be willing to take a loss, at least that way if you get it sold to a happy customer there will be some positive feedback regarding your work (I know not all eBayers are good at leaving feedback) it takes a long time to build a name in a niche market...If your time is something that you aren't willing to take a loss on perhaps be your own best customer and enjoy your work and satisfaction of a job well done...

Bottom line, I do like it....
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2015 - 02:43 PM UTC

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You have been hit with a ton of feedback, I haven't read it all, so if my thoughts are things that you have read already just take in the new stuff I mention...here are my thoughts:

Some Positive:

Nice job on the building and rubble.

Kudo's to you for being brave and putting it up here - asking for and accepting the feedback without taking offense....

Area's of Improvement......In my opinion of course

The photos could stand to be crisper there is some blur.

What's the story? What is going on? Is the Hetzer parked??

Figures....it needs some

Name plate...needs one

Things are bordering on being rather square, I would have placed the wall section at more of an angle. The Hetzer is slightly angled to the base, which is good..

You made the comment about a small profit margin based on the work you have put in. To build a client base and get a name for yourself on the way to commanding a good price will most likely involve in breaking even, perhaps taking a loss, but at this stage of the game to put a price on your time is not wise...be willing to take a loss, at least that way if you get it sold to a happy customer there will be some positive feedback regarding your work (I know not all eBayers are good at leaving feedback) it takes a long time to build a name in a niche market...If your time is something that you aren't willing to take a loss on perhaps be your own best customer and enjoy your work and satisfaction of a job well done...

Bottom line, I do like it....



Hi, thank you for your feedback and I'm glad you like it. It does need a bit more life in the scene and I need to figure out how to use a camera, it won't go into focus.
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2015 - 05:45 PM UTC
I have now removed this listing from eBay in order to carry out improvements, I'd like thank you all for your feedback it has been most helpful.
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2015 - 11:56 PM UTC
Good photographs are very important aspect of selling your work. I can't really comment on the model, as I can't see much.

Pick interesting angles, up shots and composition where you don't see edges of the base, dramatic "as if you are there" shots that capture close up details... It's really a "tank with base" if you don't sell immersion level - the latter makes it a diorama. You can have 1-2 shots of base as a whole, but keep it towards the end and crop it tight - nobody wants to see photos with wasted backdrop space.

Work on improving lighting - experiment with photographing outdoors and if you can get indirect light (hazy day, sun down in a couple of hours time).

For actual build - composition is key... You have a lot of space to detail and the same can be achieved on the base 2/3 the size - part of the problem when the price of material ticks up, but portions of your base are still baren. There is no verticality and everything is uniform. Ruin building looks like a placed product that's separate from brick - placement of loose brick looks artificial. Vehicle came to rest in flat position with minimal damage and debris look deliberately placed - do tracks interact with ground debris (if yes - photograph the detail). There would be a lot of other debris than just brick and wood (various cloth, household items etc).

Experiment with what sells and what doesn't... Make smaller items and build your client base / model feedback. Packing your models so they don't break is also seller's responsibility and assurance of repeat patronage.

Good luck! Perseverance is the key.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 12:25 AM UTC

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Good photographs are very important aspect of selling your work. I can't really comment on the model, as I can't see much.

Pick interesting angles, up shots and composition where you don't see edges of the base, dramatic "as if you are there" shots that capture close up details... It's really a "tank with base" if you don't sell immersion level - the latter makes it a diorama. You can have 1-2 shots of base as a whole, but keep it towards the end and crop it tight - nobody wants to see photos with wasted backdrop space.

Work on improving lighting - experiment with photographing outdoors and if you can get indirect light (hazy day, sun down in a couple of hours time).

For actual build - composition is key... You have a lot of space to detail and the same can be achieved on the base 2/3 the size - part of the problem when the price of material ticks up, but portions of your base are still baren. There is no verticality and everything is uniform. Ruin building looks like a placed product that's separate from brick - placement of loose brick looks artificial. Vehicle came to rest in flat position with minimal damage and debris look deliberately placed - do tracks interact with ground debris (if yes - photograph the detail). There would be a lot of other debris than just brick and wood (various cloth, household items etc).

Experiment with what sells and what doesn't... Make smaller items and build your client base / model feedback. Packing your models so they don't break is also seller's responsibility and assurance of repeat patronage.

Good luck! Perseverance is the key.



Thank you for the feedback, the rubble was dropped on the base and glued on where ever it fell ( if it looks "artificial" then that's gravity's fault)and rubble was made from the same bricks as the building so they blend together, moreover, there are other items in the rubble such as boots, spent shells, wood planks and a grenade case. And the tracks are workable ones so they interact fully with the ground. But the photos are bad so all this can't be seen too well.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 02:33 AM UTC

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Thank you for the feedback, the rubble was dropped on the base and glued on where ever it fell ( if it looks "artificial" then that's gravity's fault)and rubble was made from the same bricks as the building so they blend together, moreover, there are other items in the rubble such as boots, spent shells, wood planks and a grenade case. And the tracks are workable ones so they interact fully with the ground. But the photos are bad so all this can't be seen too well.



Case and point - photography is the key or all your efforts go unseen. Cheers and best luck in 2016!
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