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shiryon
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Posted: Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 01:19 PM UTC
I've always painted the tools on My AFVs with wood colors for the handles which is fine. but when it comes to the metal parts Ifeel they are lackig in realism. Igenerally paint them flat black with maybe a little silver dry brushing anyone got any better methods for howing worn tools. Mabe some of you figure dudes with all that sword and spear painting.
Envar
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Posted: Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 02:02 PM UTC
Howdy...
Generally I try to avoid plain black and go for many layers instead.
I have one way to suggest. I´m about to paint some tools for my Schwimm so I´ve paid it a thought. Citadel boltgun metal (or any gun metal colour) for a base. Then apply a mixture of black, terra red, sand yellow and a bit neutral grey. Smudge the wet paint with your finger, some goes off from elevated sections. Let dry. Wash with dark brown ink. Gently drybrush worn edges with aluminium colour. Want rust? Add just some reddish spots. Add a layer or two of pastel chalk to make it dusty, colour depending of the soil in the scene. Pastels reduce the shine also.
This is what I will use to finish my Schwimm shovel, which will be quite worn.
Hope this is any help, I´m sure though there´s an easier, shorter way of doing it! Use what suits you best and serves your purpose!
Toni
Generally I try to avoid plain black and go for many layers instead.
I have one way to suggest. I´m about to paint some tools for my Schwimm so I´ve paid it a thought. Citadel boltgun metal (or any gun metal colour) for a base. Then apply a mixture of black, terra red, sand yellow and a bit neutral grey. Smudge the wet paint with your finger, some goes off from elevated sections. Let dry. Wash with dark brown ink. Gently drybrush worn edges with aluminium colour. Want rust? Add just some reddish spots. Add a layer or two of pastel chalk to make it dusty, colour depending of the soil in the scene. Pastels reduce the shine also.
This is what I will use to finish my Schwimm shovel, which will be quite worn.
Hope this is any help, I´m sure though there´s an easier, shorter way of doing it! Use what suits you best and serves your purpose!
Toni
KFMagee
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Posted: Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 02:44 PM UTC
A nice trick I use that is quite effective.... on tools, paint as normal, then to show use and wear, use a #1 or #2 carpenters pencil and burnish the edges and raised areas.... the "sheen" looks very metallic and realistic. Some tools could also do with some rust streaks on the sides of the tank or jeep (whatever) showing where moisture is corroding the clamps. Also, consider a little "dirt" on tools like shovels.... easily done with celluclay and a little baking soda colored in earth tones. - Keith
Epi
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Posted: Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 10:29 PM UTC
Well SHIRYON,
First question is what era are you modeling these tools from. The reason i ask is because as far as modern US tolls are concerned, sometimes they are hardly used. They tolls on my HUMMER's are kept in or cage area until we go out to the field and most of the time we dont even use them. So they are still farely new. Plus, back in my active days, we where always having inspections, so we wanted our stuff to look nice and clean. We would clean them off as best as we could and repaint them. The meatl parts would get a coat of flat black spray paint and the wooden parts would get a coat of olive drab.
First question is what era are you modeling these tools from. The reason i ask is because as far as modern US tolls are concerned, sometimes they are hardly used. They tolls on my HUMMER's are kept in or cage area until we go out to the field and most of the time we dont even use them. So they are still farely new. Plus, back in my active days, we where always having inspections, so we wanted our stuff to look nice and clean. We would clean them off as best as we could and repaint them. The meatl parts would get a coat of flat black spray paint and the wooden parts would get a coat of olive drab.
Sabot
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Posted: Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 10:47 PM UTC
A lot of modern pioneer tools are off-the-shelf items and the shovel issued to replace a missing or broken one will look the same as one purchased at the local hardware or garden supply store. Take a look at a shovel in your shed or at a construction site. The tools will look similar, and bare metal will look like a deep weathered/rust/steel color. When issued with a new vehicle, the entire tool (shovel, axe, pickaxe head and handle) are normally painted a very flat light forest green color with CARC paint. As Pete says, these will get repainted (or not) based on the crew and whether or not an inspection is due. Most of the time, the vehicle's bumper number is stenciled onto the tool by the crew with 1", 1 1/2" or 2" stencils (whatever they have) to guard against someone taking it by accident. Most of the time the equipment is stored in a lockable sponson box when not in use to prevent theft or loss while the vehicle is maneuvering.
So to answer your question, paint them in about any color your desire. Vehicle color, OD, flat black, wooden handles, but not in bare metal. Also if the vehicle is camouflaged, tools will be removed from the racks, the vehicle painted and the tools probably painted a solid color of the base vehicle color.
So to answer your question, paint them in about any color your desire. Vehicle color, OD, flat black, wooden handles, but not in bare metal. Also if the vehicle is camouflaged, tools will be removed from the racks, the vehicle painted and the tools probably painted a solid color of the base vehicle color.
Ranger74
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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 12:12 AM UTC
I generally do what KFM states above: The metal parts of shovels, axes, mattox, etc., are painted flat black, then I use a drafting pencil, or other graphite source to show wear on gutting edges and raised areas. What the others have said also applies, look at any hand tools you have and replicate that.
herberta
Canada
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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 12:25 AM UTC
As others suggest, a base coat of some color paint, and then burnishing with a pencil looks good.
If you are modelling WW2 armor, I gather that the tools were not always removed when oversprayed with camouflage. It makes sense to cover that nice shiny metal piece if you are trying to avoid the jabos! It was a while ago, but a discussion of this topic on Missing Links revealed reports that some German units REQUIRED the tools be overpainted with camouflage, and in other units, tools had to be removed before painting. Of course, in combat I imagine some rules were broken.
I've seen a lot of models recently with rust on tools (not to mention all over the AFV). I have serious problems with that. First, a well used shovel will not rust. Second, I have a spade in the garage that gets used a couple of times a year, gets left in the yard for weeks at a time, and it has no rust on it. The paint is worn off, and it's a cheap shovel. (can you tell how much I like gardening! ). Third, I can't see a responsible crew letting their tools get covered in rust. And their CO would have to be pretty slack too then!
my 2 cents
Andy
If you are modelling WW2 armor, I gather that the tools were not always removed when oversprayed with camouflage. It makes sense to cover that nice shiny metal piece if you are trying to avoid the jabos! It was a while ago, but a discussion of this topic on Missing Links revealed reports that some German units REQUIRED the tools be overpainted with camouflage, and in other units, tools had to be removed before painting. Of course, in combat I imagine some rules were broken.
I've seen a lot of models recently with rust on tools (not to mention all over the AFV). I have serious problems with that. First, a well used shovel will not rust. Second, I have a spade in the garage that gets used a couple of times a year, gets left in the yard for weeks at a time, and it has no rust on it. The paint is worn off, and it's a cheap shovel. (can you tell how much I like gardening! ). Third, I can't see a responsible crew letting their tools get covered in rust. And their CO would have to be pretty slack too then!
my 2 cents
Andy