Hi guys,
I would like to learn the different process of treating and finishing the metal parts of guns, when it was used, for which guns (small arms, medium caliber guns or big guns) and by whom it was used. Also for ammo and bullets casings. The period I am interested is from WWI up to present times and I am also interested in knowing how the gun looks at the end because of the different processes.
I think I remember that US small arms at the beginning of WWII were bonderized and that is the reason they look like gunship grey but that later in the war they were painted black.
I would like to learn for small arms but also for bigger guns. In the case of the big guns which primers they use, how the primer looks, etc.
Thanks in advance and best regards,
Angel
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Anmoga
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 02:04 PM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 02:01 PM UTC
Hi guys,
Nobody knows anything or where could look for that info?
Best regards,
Angel
Nobody knows anything or where could look for that info?
Best regards,
Angel
retiredyank
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 02:14 PM UTC
I'll ask my dad tomorrow. He served two tours in the EOD and is an avid gun collector.
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 04:57 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi guys,
I would like to learn the different process of treating and finishing the metal parts of guns, when it was used, for which guns (small arms, medium caliber guns or big guns) and by whom it was used. Also for ammo and bullets casings. The period I am interested is from WWI up to present times and I am also interested in knowing how the gun looks at the end because of the different processes.
I think I remember that US small arms at the beginning of WWII were bonderized and that is the reason they look like gunship grey but that later in the war they were painted black.
I would like to learn for small arms but also for bigger guns. In the case of the big guns which primers they use, how the primer looks, etc.
Thanks in advance and best regards,
Angel
I can do this for WW2 rifles. This is the general trend I will note exceptions.
Australia
Parkerized
Belgium
Rifles covered in black enamel paint except the bolts which where left in the white.
Some MLE89/36 had blued bolts
Canada
Blued then later like Belgium painted in a black "paint".
China
Blued
Denmark
Blued except the bolt is in the white
Finland
Blued, bolts in the white. (I do not think anybody makes any of the Finnish Mosin Nagants at least not in 1/35 scale).
France
Black paint (as far as I know nobody makes the correct wartime era MAS36)
Germany
Blued expect for very late production "parkerized".
Hungary
Blued, bolts is also blued for 43M models, all else in the white.
Iran
Blued, bolts in the white
Italy
Blued, bolts in the white
Japan
Blued, bolts in the white for some type 38s, blued for type 99
Norway
Blued, bolts in the white
Poland
Blued, bolts in the white
Romania
Blued, bolts in the white
Slovak Republic
Blued, bolts in the white
Soviet Union
Blued, bolts in the white (please be aware the all non-sniper models of the Mosin Nagant had straight bolts.
Thailand
Blued
United Kingdom
Blued SMLE and the black "paint" for No.4
United States
Parkerized except for early M1903 M1917.
Yugoslavia
Blued, bolts in the white.
For hand guns all were blued except for
all but early M1911
French pistols (black paint) except for revolvers (blued)
Some United Kingdom revolved might also have been parkerized?
kampfy
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 05:04 PM UTC
Oh, forgot to mention in case you need to know.
Blued refers to the standard gunmetal finish, parkerized is the gray to grayish black finish you referred to as bonderized, in the white means the metal was left bare.
Blued refers to the standard gunmetal finish, parkerized is the gray to grayish black finish you referred to as bonderized, in the white means the metal was left bare.
Anmoga
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 06:51 PM UTC
Thanks Matt for your help.
Do you happen to have any photo of the blued and parkerized? Was there or is there any difference in the color between the different countries and periods?
I don't know why but I think I read somewhere that german parkerized guns at the end of the war was very transparent.
Thanks in advance,
Angel
Do you happen to have any photo of the blued and parkerized? Was there or is there any difference in the color between the different countries and periods?
I don't know why but I think I read somewhere that german parkerized guns at the end of the war was very transparent.
Thanks in advance,
Angel
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2012 - 03:49 PM UTC
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Thanks Matt for your help.
Do you happen to have any photo of the blued and parkerized? Was there or is there any difference in the color between the different countries and periods?
I don't know why but I think I read somewhere that german parkerized guns at the end of the war was very transparent.
Thanks in advance,
Angel
Hi Angel,
Parkerized finishes are matte, not polished as blued finishes are. I have an M1 carbine, mid-WWII production, and its finish is dull gray, but in some light it appears a little greenish. I've seen the same tone on M1 Garand rifles.
Hope that helps.
Dick
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2012 - 07:13 PM UTC
Thanks Dick for your info.
Best regards,
Angel
Best regards,
Angel