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Has anybody read Mein Kampf?
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:43 PM UTC
Good Meuning
goldenpony

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Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 12:39 AM UTC
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To summarize, I'd put Tom Paine absolutely on the top shelf of political writers; Marx is a necessary component if you want the education, otherwise don't bother; Hitler is simply toilet paper.
Now thats a simple way to put things.
spooky6

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Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 08:17 PM UTC
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Good Meuning
Please listen carefully, I will say this only wonce.
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Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:20 PM UTC
I was at a party a few years ago & the topic of Állo Ällo came up. I was surprised at how popular it was in all the european countries (everybody was from all over europe at the party) ; they were all dismayed to hear that it was no longer filmed because it wasn´t considered "politically correct". It was at that party I first tried Slibowitz, offered to me by an absolutely gorgeous Croatian girl, the paper cup started to fall apart ( I should have seen the warning sign!) so I finished it quickly,then more. After that ,well I can´t remember much, but the things people said I did afterwards,but that´s another story. I can only say that if Van Gogh had drunk slibowitz instead of absinthe he would have probably cut someone elses ear off & returned to the same bar the day after with amnesia.
UNITEDSTATESNAVY

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Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 03:00 AM UTC
I have tried to make sense of his poor military decisions and horrible crimes against humanity then I noticed during his filmed speeches the chilling madness in his eyes that I have I have seen in our amphetimine fueled citizens, thank god he made the wrong decisions, he was an evil very unstable man.My grandfather admired him as many Spaniards did back in the day,I guess at the time he was a better choice than the communist and I am greatful Franco was wise enough not to enter the war.
long_tom

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Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 03:48 AM UTC
One reason probably was that Franco was part Jewish (mentioned in Toland's biography of Hitler.)
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Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 04:51 AM UTC
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One reason probably was that Franco was part Jewish (mentioned in Toland's biography of Hitler.)
Interesting point. It seems that people who are part Jewish could be the worst in the crowd when the time comes. It might be overcompensation, but Reinhard Heydrich, Hitler, and others, too are suspected to be part Jewish. (Even if it wasn't true -and this is still to be determined, they were facing these allegations.)
(I think Franco staying out of the war had more to do with common sense than with his distant relatives.)
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:05 AM UTC
Unlike Hitler and Mussolini, Franco didn't have any territorial ambitions in Europe, apart from Gibraltar. So he didn't really have much to gain by full-scale participation. Spanish troops did fight in the USSR, originally as volunteers but later including some conscripts.
David
David
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:25 AM UTC
Regarding ALLO ALLO. It may be the ultimate irony or a sign that it is really possible for a nation to move on but POLISH tv will begin airing their own version from next week!!
They had the original for about a year and following it's success they decided a Polish version may be a good idea? It is called HELLO HANS with the same characters and following the scripts closely.
I guess time does heal all wounds and laughter is the best reply to such crazies..
I can't wait to see how they do the British/French gendarme
The girls look cute too
They had the original for about a year and following it's success they decided a Polish version may be a good idea? It is called HELLO HANS with the same characters and following the scripts closely.
I guess time does heal all wounds and laughter is the best reply to such crazies..
I can't wait to see how they do the British/French gendarme
The girls look cute too
Posted: Friday, November 30, 2007 - 01:09 PM UTC
Re: Mein Kampf -- I bought an english translation and started reading through it a couple of years back. Now that its mentioned in this thread -- I recall lending it to someone and has been overdue for return. For myself the interest is finding out what were the thoughts back then -- not necessarily agreeing to what was written. I heard there was supposed to be a second part, but never published
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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 05:39 AM UTC
I own a copy of the english version. read it once. he was a complete quack. but one thing he wrote that is coming true is the control of what the media shows us. even though we have freedom of the press, I believe we are "steered" in a certain direction by what is printed/shown to us
spongya

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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 06:39 AM UTC
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I own a copy of the english version. read it once. he was a complete quack. but one thing he wrote that is coming true is the control of what the media shows us. even though we have freedom of the press, I believe we are "steered" in a certain direction by what is printed/shown to us
Too bad current events are barred from this forum; there could be very interesting historical parallels drawn.

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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 06:43 AM UTC
I never had the desire read the book, or any of the rants of Marx. Having read, and seen, Hitlers speeches, and watched how he did things he was not mad. He had a goal, and was unfortunately given the opportunity to work on that goal. His power was that he knew his audience extremely well, he knew what and how to speak to them. What he did and said could work even today if the target audience is in the same situation as Germany was in during the depression. Crippling inflation, massive unemployment and so on.
In my view Hitler was not insane when he took over Germany, nor was he stupid, or illiterate. He was the son of a school teacher, or so I read. He was awarded the iron cross in WWI. Power corrupts, and he was given absolute power.
In my view Hitler was not insane when he took over Germany, nor was he stupid, or illiterate. He was the son of a school teacher, or so I read. He was awarded the iron cross in WWI. Power corrupts, and he was given absolute power.
Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 07:10 AM UTC
I have read most of it - terrible read !proof once again Hitler was a moron! He writes as poorly as one would expect from a mediocre artist and bigot. I all honesty I must say I am a lot closer to Robert Heinlien in my social - political beliefs!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 08:04 AM UTC
he was part jewish? had no idea not that it matters, as a second generation spaniard it is possible I have moorish blood in me allthough doubtful since my family hails from the unconquered Asturias region. I believe one of the main reasons franco stayed neutral was that spain did not have much too offer, the economy was in shambles after so many years of civil war, interesting how as a child I remember my grandfathers hatred of communist and their ill treatment of catholics.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 08:06 AM UTC
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in reference to earlier thread, do not understand quite how to quote and add.he was part jewish? had no idea not that it matters, as a second generation spaniard it is possible I have moorish blood in me allthough doubtful since my family hails from the unconquered Asturias region. I believe one of the main reasons franco stayed neutral was that spain did not have much too offer, the economy was in shambles after so many years of civil war, interesting how as a child I remember my grandfathers hatred of communist and their ill treatment of catholics.
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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 09:45 AM UTC
I have not read "Mein kampf", I have been tempted, but not sure if I want to. This is a book like "The Prince" by Machiavelli or "Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith (I have read both of these) which are constantly misquoted by pundits.
The slow erosion of civil rights is a method proposed in "The Prince". Here I go with Ben Franklin "He who gives up freedoms for temporary safety, deserves not freedom or safety.
While Smith in "Wealth of Nations" stated that the workers well being is a concern of the business owner. CEO's elimanting worker health plans and taking home megabucks?! While quoting Smith!
How little we forget? I'll get off my soap box now.
Mike T.
The slow erosion of civil rights is a method proposed in "The Prince". Here I go with Ben Franklin "He who gives up freedoms for temporary safety, deserves not freedom or safety.
While Smith in "Wealth of Nations" stated that the workers well being is a concern of the business owner. CEO's elimanting worker health plans and taking home megabucks?! While quoting Smith!
How little we forget? I'll get off my soap box now.
Mike T.
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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 04:01 PM UTC
The most unreadable book in any language (I've read it in German too).
People say "They should have known what he would do- he wrote it down!" My reply is "Who made it through the first chapter?" If I wrote a bokk like Hitler did here is the way it would go:
This morning I woke up and poured a bowl of cereal and went to the fridge was there milk no and again no there was no milk and I went outside for a smoke and the horrid frost was on my windscreen and I scareped it away with a scraper a scraper the ice fell to the ground from the scraper was there milk no there was none and a gain none and everywhere I looked there was frost and no milk and again the frost fell from the scraper to the ground and the ceral had no milk and the milk was not in the fridge and the frost was on the ground"
No punctuation in sight- and I swear it was all one word. But what needs to be remembered is that the book wasnt written it was Hitler speaking he dictated the whole thing.
People say "They should have known what he would do- he wrote it down!" My reply is "Who made it through the first chapter?" If I wrote a bokk like Hitler did here is the way it would go:
This morning I woke up and poured a bowl of cereal and went to the fridge was there milk no and again no there was no milk and I went outside for a smoke and the horrid frost was on my windscreen and I scareped it away with a scraper a scraper the ice fell to the ground from the scraper was there milk no there was none and a gain none and everywhere I looked there was frost and no milk and again the frost fell from the scraper to the ground and the ceral had no milk and the milk was not in the fridge and the frost was on the ground"
No punctuation in sight- and I swear it was all one word. But what needs to be remembered is that the book wasnt written it was Hitler speaking he dictated the whole thing.
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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:26 PM UTC
Hitlers father was not a school teacher, he was a minor customs official in the Austrian Customs service, & a drunk. Although Hitler was intimidated by his father, it is obvious that he absorbed much of his fathers political thinking. Hitlers school reports tend to dwell on his laziness in lessons (except German history & art). He did have ability, & at one stage wanted to be a Catholic priest (unbelievable but true). It is interesting to speculate what congregation figures in church would be now, had he become one ! Hitler as pope?! He was not even German as such, but belonged to the strong German ethnic minority in the old Austro-Hungarian Empire. Members of this minority tended to emphasise there "German-ness" & wish for a pan-Germanic state including Germany & Austria. (This is similar to Napoleons status as he was born in Corsica, which a few years previously had belonged to one of the Italian states.) Despite the rantings against the Jews in Mein Kampf, Hitler had much to thank the Jews for. His adored mother was nursed through her last illness by the family doctor, who was Jewish, a man Hitler held in high esteem at the time. Later, while a down-and -out in Vienna, it was a Jewish acquaintance who enabled him to earn some money by selling his paintings. His appearance at this time, with long hair, is sometimes described as "Jewish". So perhaps the rhetoric was more based on what his audience expected to hear than his own personal thoughts? Or maybe, like the rest of us, it is easier to think about another race in general terms rather than seeing them as individuals, that you may actually like?
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2008 - 07:31 PM UTC
Its a idiotic book written by a idiot.
I have met many people who have read it, and it just shows what a @#%tard hitler was.
I have met many people who have read it, and it just shows what a @#%tard hitler was.
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